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hunter1chris
hunter1chris g Chris Larranaga
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Hey Hermanites!

So I have a problem and I dont know what to do. My current school and work schedule is killing me and after getting off from the hospital I just cant make it to the gym the three days I work. So I was wanting to go from my current 5 Day split (chest/abs, back, delts/abs, arms, legs/abs) to a three day split. What would be the best split in my current situation? I am still trying to gain muscle mass. I was thinking of a push, pull, and legs day but I actually dont know any other way to split? Any recomendations as to how I should split or which workouts I should do during the days (concentrated to a certain muscle group or more broad exercises) would be much appreciated! Plus I plan to do Cardio on one of the off days if that matters? Thank you guys!

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jmboiardi
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Posted By: hunter1chris

Hey Hermanites!

So I have a problem and I dont know what to do. My current school and work schedule is killing me and after getting off from the hospital I just cant make it to the gym the three days I work. So I was wanting to go from my current 5 Day split (chest/abs, back, delts/abs, arms, legs/abs) to a three day split. What would be the best split in my current situation? I am still trying to gain muscle mass. I was thinking of a push, pull, and legs day but I actually dont know any other way to split? Any recomendations as to how I should split or which workouts I should do during the days (concentrated to a certain muscle group or more broad exercises) would be much appreciated! Plus I plan to do Cardio on one of the off days if that matters? Thank you guys!

Chris,

 

I used to a do a 3 day split. Now I do 4-day Push/Pull full body training. When I did a 3 day split, I did:

 

Mon = Chest/Back

Wed = Legs

Fri = Shoulders/Arms

 

I would do abs 2 out of the 3 workouts - usually on Mon and Fri. Push/Pull/Legs is also a great 3 day split.

 

John

34 years of lifting and nutritional experience and resident "old man" :-) MS Athlete and past Super Hermanite since 2013.
William_Steinset
William_Steinset p William Steinset
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Posted By: hunter1chris

Hey Hermanites!

So I have a problem and I dont know what to do. My current school and work schedule is killing me and after getting off from the hospital I just cant make it to the gym the three days I work. So I was wanting to go from my current 5 Day split (chest/abs, back, delts/abs, arms, legs/abs) to a three day split. What would be the best split in my current situation? I am still trying to gain muscle mass. I was thinking of a push, pull, and legs day but I actually dont know any other way to split? Any recomendations as to how I should split or which workouts I should do during the days (concentrated to a certain muscle group or more broad exercises) would be much appreciated! Plus I plan to do Cardio on one of the off days if that matters? Thank you guys!

3 days ? No problem ! First of all the big compound movements are going to be your best friend in this case and by that I mean: Bench press, squat, deadlift, military press, any type of row exercise (yates row, barbell row is perfereed) You can create a workout JUST by doing these and do it 3 times a week. Just create some sets and reps and you are ready to go. If you want you can include some tricep exercises such as dips and push downs, however you do get a alot of work if you would do the above exercises 3 times a week so it is not required. So lets say you go for this "program" if you do I would suggest you to start off with around 1.23 % of your max (deadlift, example). So lets say that the perfect form for your deadlift becomes a lift of 80 kg. 80kg / 1.23 = 65 kg. Then you can change the % every week to make it harder. For instance change it to to 1.18 %. 80 kg / 1.8 = 67.8 kg. Now you are making sure you are increasing the weight every week to make sure you gain ressistance ! Hope this helps, let me know if you need more help

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Whisper
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Posted By: hunter1chris

Hey Hermanites!

So I have a problem and I dont know what to do. My current school and work schedule is killing me and after getting off from the hospital I just cant make it to the gym the three days I work. So I was wanting to go from my current 5 Day split (chest/abs, back, delts/abs, arms, legs/abs) to a three day split. What would be the best split in my current situation? I am still trying to gain muscle mass. I was thinking of a push, pull, and legs day but I actually dont know any other way to split? Any recomendations as to how I should split or which workouts I should do during the days (concentrated to a certain muscle group or more broad exercises) would be much appreciated! Plus I plan to do Cardio on one of the off days if that matters? Thank you guys!

Hey man,

You dont have to "split" your workouts. Full body workouts 3 times a week is very effective for muscle/strength building. As William said, stick to 7-8 compound movements and create a structured program with those. If you want, we can suggest you one. Starting strength for example is an amazing program for your needs. Push/pull/legs will not be very effective because you will only be training each muscle group once a week. Its far better to train everything 2 or even better 3 times a week.

#HTH!
Kostas

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hunter1chris
hunter1chris g Chris Larranaga
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Posted By: William_Steinset

3 days ? No problem ! First of all the big compound movements are going to be your best friend in this case and by that I mean: Bench press, squat, deadlift, military press, any type of row exercise (yates row, barbell row is perfereed) You can create a workout JUST by doing these and do it 3 times a week. Just create some sets and reps and you are ready to go. If you want you can include some tricep exercises such as dips and push downs, however you do get a alot of work if you would do the above exercises 3 times a week so it is not required. So lets say you go for this "program" if you do I would suggest you to start off with around 1.23 % of your max (deadlift, example). So lets say that the perfect form for your deadlift becomes a lift of 80 kg. 80kg / 1.23 = 65 kg. Then you can change the % every week to make it harder. For instance change it to to 1.18 %. 80 kg / 1.8 = 67.8 kg. Now you are making sure you are increasing the weight every week to make sure you gain ressistance ! Hope this helps, let me know if you need more help

Awesome this is some great info i really appreciate it! A few questions I have is would you do bench press, squat, deadlift, military press, and a row everyday you go to the gym with abs every other day? Are compound movements, exercises that work several muscles during the exercise?

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hunter1chris
hunter1chris g Chris Larranaga
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Posted By: Whisper

Hey man,

You dont have to "split" your workouts. Full body workouts 3 times a week is very effective for muscle/strength building. As William said, stick to 7-8 compound movements and create a structured program with those. If you want, we can suggest you one. Starting strength for example is an amazing program for your needs. Push/pull/legs will not be very effective because you will only be training each muscle group once a week. Its far better to train everything 2 or even better 3 times a week.

#HTH!
Kostas

I would very much appreciate any suggestions you have! Is the "Starting Strength" one of Scotts exercise programs on youtube? Also on each day would you have different compound movements for each day or would you have one set program and do that program each day?

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hunter1chris
hunter1chris g Chris Larranaga
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Posted By: jmboiardi

Chris,

 

I used to a do a 3 day split. Now I do 4-day Push/Pull full body training. When I did a 3 day split, I did:

 

Mon = Chest/Back

Wed = Legs

Fri = Shoulders/Arms

 

I would do abs 2 out of the 3 workouts - usually on Mon and Fri. Push/Pull/Legs is also a great 3 day split.

 

John

Awesome thanks for the feedback! If you dont mind me asking what does your 4-day push/pull full body training consist of? Is it with compound movements like how Kostas and William suggested? Also I was wondering since I was going from a 5 day to a 3 day a week workout schedule how should I decide which exercises from each muscle group to keep? Would it be the exercises that work multiple muscles rather than isolating just one muscle group?

*College senior graduating May 2014 in Radiologic Technology *Health enthusiast *Crohns Disease (Auto-Immune Disorder) Warrior
William_Steinset
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Posted By: hunter1chris

Awesome this is some great info i really appreciate it! A few questions I have is would you do bench press, squat, deadlift, military press, and a row everyday you go to the gym with abs every other day? Are compound movements, exercises that work several muscles during the exercise?

No problem ! Happy to help you out !
You can split it out like this:
Monday: Squat, deadlift, maybe add in some calf raises if you want
Wednesday: Bench press, military press or standing overhead barbell press, row, barbell bicep curls, throw in some tricep exercises if you want
Friday: Same as wednesday

So essentially, what this means is that you will have 2 upper body days and 1 lower body days. I would suggest you to switch it up every 2nd week or so you do 2 lower body days and only 1 upper body.
You can do abs whenever you want, with ONE exception: Do NOT do it 1-2 days before your leg workout because you will need your abs and core to be fully rested if you want to perform on the lower body workouts as best as you can. I also did not mention anything about rest time. I would advice you to do 3-8 minutes in between the compund movement sets. However on the calf raises for instance you only need 1-2 minutes.
Lastly: Yes compund movements work multiple muscles at a time, hence the reason why it is so powerfull to do in a 3 or 4 day split.

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waynesway
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So it is better to do full body workouts on a 3 day split, instead of isolating one or two body parts everytime? I currently do a 3 day split

Day 1: Chest and Triceps

Day 2: Legs and shoulders

Day 3: Back and Biceps

 

Abs 2 out of 3 days too, plus a little cardio on the other day

 

I should switch to a full body using the compound exercises instead?

jmboiardi
jmboiardi p John M Boiardi
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Posted By: hunter1chris

Awesome thanks for the feedback! If you dont mind me asking what does your 4-day push/pull full body training consist of? Is it with compound movements like how Kostas and William suggested? Also I was wondering since I was going from a 5 day to a 3 day a week workout schedule how should I decide which exercises from each muscle group to keep? Would it be the exercises that work multiple muscles rather than isolating just one muscle group?

Chris,

 

For Push days, I do quads, chest, tris, and calves and for Pull days I do back, bis, hams, and shoulders. Abs are 2-3 times per week. I stick to 2 compound exercises per muscle group. I do 2 Push/Pull days where I keep the weights heavy and in the 4-6 rep range with about 2-3 minutes rest between sets. I then do 2 Push/Pull days where I superset the 2 exercises and keep the weights moderate in the 8-12 rep range and 60-90 seconds rest between sets. I do 4 sets per exercise on heavy days and 8 (via super sets) on volume days. I get 30 minutes of brisk walking in on 4 days as I walk to and from the gym.

 

As the others have stated, it is best to stick with compound exercises and try to avoid machines. I mix up the exercises and super sets each workout to add variety and to keep the muscles guessing. So far it is working great for me - my strength, size , and weight are up but my body fat is low (11%) for my age (50). The key is eating good, keeping the protein high and the carbs moderate (150-175g) and plenty of essential fats. I make sure to get 8 hours sleep, drink plenty of water, and do a re-feed day every Sunday where I bump carbs up to around 250-270 grams.

 

John

34 years of lifting and nutritional experience and resident "old man" :-) MS Athlete and past Super Hermanite since 2013.
jmboiardi
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Posted By: waynesway

So it is better to do full body workouts on a 3 day split, instead of isolating one or two body parts everytime? I currently do a 3 day split

Day 1: Chest and Triceps

Day 2: Legs and shoulders

Day 3: Back and Biceps

 

Abs 2 out of 3 days too, plus a little cardio on the other day

 

I should switch to a full body using the compound exercises instead?

Wayne,

 

it is up to you. I did a 3 day split with chest/back, legs, shoulders/arms BUT I trained with a lot of volume and little rest between sets so that the muscles and my entire body needed a week to recover. You need at least 48 hours rest for muscles to recover from training when you are natural. I think if what you are doing now is producing results then stay with it.

 

John

34 years of lifting and nutritional experience and resident "old man" :-) MS Athlete and past Super Hermanite since 2013.
hunter1chris
hunter1chris g Chris Larranaga
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Posted By: William_Steinset

No problem ! Happy to help you out !
You can split it out like this:
Monday: Squat, deadlift, maybe add in some calf raises if you want
Wednesday: Bench press, military press or standing overhead barbell press, row, barbell bicep curls, throw in some tricep exercises if you want
Friday: Same as wednesday

So essentially, what this means is that you will have 2 upper body days and 1 lower body days. I would suggest you to switch it up every 2nd week or so you do 2 lower body days and only 1 upper body.
You can do abs whenever you want, with ONE exception: Do NOT do it 1-2 days before your leg workout because you will need your abs and core to be fully rested if you want to perform on the lower body workouts as best as you can. I also did not mention anything about rest time. I would advice you to do 3-8 minutes in between the compund movement sets. However on the calf raises for instance you only need 1-2 minutes.
Lastly: Yes compund movements work multiple muscles at a time, hence the reason why it is so powerfull to do in a 3 or 4 day split.

Okay awesome I will start this new routine on monday. I was wondering what sets/reps you would suggest. On my old routine I was doing 4 sets to 12 reps. Would that be okay or?

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hunter1chris
hunter1chris g Chris Larranaga
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Posted By: jmboiardi

Chris,

 

For Push days, I do quads, chest, tris, and calves and for Pull days I do back, bis, hams, and shoulders. Abs are 2-3 times per week. I stick to 2 compound exercises per muscle group. I do 2 Push/Pull days where I keep the weights heavy and in the 4-6 rep range with about 2-3 minutes rest between sets. I then do 2 Push/Pull days where I superset the 2 exercises and keep the weights moderate in the 8-12 rep range and 60-90 seconds rest between sets. I do 4 sets per exercise on heavy days and 8 (via super sets) on volume days. I get 30 minutes of brisk walking in on 4 days as I walk to and from the gym.

 

As the others have stated, it is best to stick with compound exercises and try to avoid machines. I mix up the exercises and super sets each workout to add variety and to keep the muscles guessing. So far it is working great for me - my strength, size , and weight are up but my body fat is low (11%) for my age (50). The key is eating good, keeping the protein high and the carbs moderate (150-175g) and plenty of essential fats. I make sure to get 8 hours sleep, drink plenty of water, and do a re-feed day every Sunday where I bump carbs up to around 250-270 grams.

 

John

Awesome John these are some great tips that I really appreciate. Good job on keeping the body fat percentage low that's awesome to hear! I really want to get down to the 11-12% body fat range so to hear how you did it was helpful!

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William_Steinset
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Okay awesome I will start this new routine on monday. I was wondering what sets/reps you would suggest. On my old routine I was doing 4 sets to 12 reps. Would that be okay or?

For muscle mass ? I would not stick with only doing 12 reps. I would do 6-12 reps. This means that you will have to lift some heavier weight for less reps and some lighter weight for more reps. I know most people belive that high reps build muscle and it does, of course. On the other hand it is not the only way to build muscle. Hence the reason why I would strongly suggest you to vary your reps and sets.
For instance:
Bench press 12-10-8-6
Barbell row 10-10-8-8
Standing OHP 12-12-10-8

Dumbell hammer curls 10-8-8-8

Tricep push down 12-12-8-8

Dips MR= Max reps for 2 sets

 

Something along these lines is what I would suggest.

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Posted By: waynesway

So it is better to do full body workouts on a 3 day split, instead of isolating one or two body parts everytime? I currently do a 3 day split

Day 1: Chest and Triceps

Day 2: Legs and shoulders

Day 3: Back and Biceps

 

Abs 2 out of 3 days too, plus a little cardio on the other day

 

I should switch to a full body using the compound exercises instead?

You got some good info here but I just want to add, hands down most people will agree compound exercise are way better the isolation because they hit more muscles and allow you to lift heavier for those muscles than isolation lifts plus the amount of exercises you end up doing are less than targeting each muscle group individually. Don't get me wrong I did isolation exercises spending up to an 1 1/2 hrs in the gym and got great results but have overall been impressed with my results in size and strength sticking to compound lifts. With isolation exercises it can be hard to work your muscle groups more than once a week and with compound you could do them 2-3 times a week depending on how hard you workout for better growth. Like John said muscles need 24-48 hours to totally repair themselves. If you like what you are doing and you are seeing results do them for a while and switch up to compounds down the road but I am telling you you will be happy either way. A lot of lifters like to use isolation exercises years down the road to finish shaping their body or to really work on a part of their body they want to improve more on which you can do as well.

I have been training coming up on 6 years and have made some great gainz. I've done a lot of trial and error on myself as well as learned from others and through research online. I've come along way in strength and size since I've started. I will continue to learn and make myself better each day. MS Athlete/Super Hermanite BEING CHALLENGED IN LIFE IS INEVITABLE, BEING DEFEATED IS OPTIONAL.
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You got some good info here but I just want to add, hands down most people will agree compound exercise are way better the isolation because they hit more muscles and allow you to lift heavier for those muscles than isolation lifts plus the amount of exercises you end up doing are less than targeting each muscle group individually. Don't get me wrong I did isolation exercises spending up to an 1 1/2 hrs in the gym and got great results but have overall been impressed with my results in size and strength sticking to compound lifts. With isolation exercises it can be hard to work your muscle groups more than once a week and with compound you could do them 2-3 times a week depending on how hard you workout for better growth. Like John said muscles need 24-48 hours to totally repair themselves. If you like what you are doing and you are seeing results do them for a while and switch up to compounds down the road but I am telling you you will be happy either way. A lot of lifters like to use isolation exercises years down the road to finish shaping their body or to really work on a part of their body they want to improve more on which you can do as well.

@Adawg38 if on a timeline, yeah definitely stick to as many compound exercies as you can.

@William_Steinset I like your input on doing the pyramid sets to ensure that @hunter1chris will be progressively overloading. If I don't progressively overload during my sets, my results are not as good. They definitely help with muscle stimulation and growth.

 

Spot on advice as usual @jmboiardi, as usual!

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