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Don’t HACK your Hack Squats!

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Scott_Herman
Scott_Herman a Scott Herman
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I don’t get caught up in the hype of “How much ya lift” anymore. I still lift heavy, I still push myself to the max, but at the end of the day there is a difference between tossing around big weight and lifting maybe a little bit less, but getting more out of your lift.

 

I see bros using the hack squat machine all the time in my gym stacking 2 – 3 plates (plate = 45lbs) on each side. The most I go up to is 2 plates per side for sets of 10-12 reps. But what I notice is that most people either wimp out and barely go halfway down, or they go down so FAST that when the sled SLAMS into the rubber bumpers at the bottom of the rails the impact bounces them back up.

 

Obviously both ways are going to hinder your gains. Why do we care how much weight is on the sled. I thought the goal is to destroy your quads? Not the machine…

 

I personally like to do the hack squat machine last on leg day when I am already fatigued from heavy squats and leg presses. At this point it takes every ounce of energy I have to keep my lower back flat against the pad as I descend at around a 3 - 4 second tempo.

 

Gains are made IN THE NEGATIVE part of the movement. If you are looking to gain muscle you want to stay there as long as possible. So don’t skip it by reducing your range of motion or by releasing tension all together and relying on momentum to perform the exercise for you.

 

Thoughts?

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Posted By: Scott_Herman

 

I don’t get caught up in the hype of “How much ya lift” anymore. I still lift heavy, I still push myself to the max, but at the end of the day there is a difference between tossing around big weight and lifting maybe a little bit less, but getting more out of your lift.

 

I see bros using the hack squat machine all the time in my gym stacking 2 – 3 plates (plate = 45lbs) on each side. The most I go up to is 2 plates per side for sets of 10-12 reps. But what I notice is that most people either wimp out and barely go halfway down, or they go down so FAST that when the sled SLAMS into the rubber bumpers at the bottom of the rails the impact bounces them back up.

 

Obviously both ways are going to hinder your gains. Why do we care how much weight is on the sled. I thought the goal is to destroy your quads? Not the machine…

 

I personally like to do the hack squat machine last on leg day when I am already fatigued from heavy squats and leg presses. At this point it takes every ounce of energy I have to keep my lower back flat against the pad as I descend at around a 3 - 4 second tempo.

 

Gains are made IN THE NEGATIVE part of the movement. If you are looking to gain muscle you want to stay there as long as possible. So don’t skip it by reducing your range of motion or by releasing tension all together and relying on momentum to perform the exercise for you.

 

Thoughts?

And I always wait for the knee cap to come flying off or the "pop" of a ruptured patellar tendon when these people go down so fast and bounce up.  You should write an article titled "Don't Train With Mo" where "Mo" is Momentum.  Quickest way to the surgeon and having no gains.

 

John

34 years of lifting and nutritional experience and resident "old man" :-) MS Athlete and past Super Hermanite since 2013.
nate_dawg
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Posted By: Scott_Herman

 

I don’t get caught up in the hype of “How much ya lift” anymore. I still lift heavy, I still push myself to the max, but at the end of the day there is a difference between tossing around big weight and lifting maybe a little bit less, but getting more out of your lift.

 

I see bros using the hack squat machine all the time in my gym stacking 2 – 3 plates (plate = 45lbs) on each side. The most I go up to is 2 plates per side for sets of 10-12 reps. But what I notice is that most people either wimp out and barely go halfway down, or they go down so FAST that when the sled SLAMS into the rubber bumpers at the bottom of the rails the impact bounces them back up.

 

Obviously both ways are going to hinder your gains. Why do we care how much weight is on the sled. I thought the goal is to destroy your quads? Not the machine…

 

I personally like to do the hack squat machine last on leg day when I am already fatigued from heavy squats and leg presses. At this point it takes every ounce of energy I have to keep my lower back flat against the pad as I descend at around a 3 - 4 second tempo.

 

Gains are made IN THE NEGATIVE part of the movement. If you are looking to gain muscle you want to stay there as long as possible. So don’t skip it by reducing your range of motion or by releasing tension all together and relying on momentum to perform the exercise for you.

 

Thoughts?

I completely agree with everything you said Scott. I see guys doing the same thing with not just hack squats at the gym all the time. Generally I go up to 2 plates and a quarter per side and do sets of 10-12 reps as well. The hack squat is usually done after doing regular barbell squats, leg extensions, and leg presses for me as well. I love the hack squat. They really destroy the lower portion of the quads well.

Daniel_Meyer
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Posted By: Scott_Herman

 

I don’t get caught up in the hype of “How much ya lift” anymore. I still lift heavy, I still push myself to the max, but at the end of the day there is a difference between tossing around big weight and lifting maybe a little bit less, but getting more out of your lift.

 

I see bros using the hack squat machine all the time in my gym stacking 2 – 3 plates (plate = 45lbs) on each side. The most I go up to is 2 plates per side for sets of 10-12 reps. But what I notice is that most people either wimp out and barely go halfway down, or they go down so FAST that when the sled SLAMS into the rubber bumpers at the bottom of the rails the impact bounces them back up.

 

Obviously both ways are going to hinder your gains. Why do we care how much weight is on the sled. I thought the goal is to destroy your quads? Not the machine…

 

I personally like to do the hack squat machine last on leg day when I am already fatigued from heavy squats and leg presses. At this point it takes every ounce of energy I have to keep my lower back flat against the pad as I descend at around a 3 - 4 second tempo.

 

Gains are made IN THE NEGATIVE part of the movement. If you are looking to gain muscle you want to stay there as long as possible. So don’t skip it by reducing your range of motion or by releasing tension all together and relying on momentum to perform the exercise for you.

 

Thoughts?

Couldn't agree more Scott! If you want to create muscle hypertrophy aim for a slow negative. I think your 3 - 4 second is perfect. I am of the opinion that you can actually create a too long eecentric if you go over 4 seconds and therefore this will diminish the effects of hypertrophy. With legs, especially the hack squat, you need to create a slow, controlled eccentric coupled with an isometric pause and an explosive concentric.

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Scott_Herman
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Couldn't agree more Scott! If you want to create muscle hypertrophy aim for a slow negative. I think your 3 - 4 second is perfect. I am of the opinion that you can actually create a too long eecentric if you go over 4 seconds and therefore this will diminish the effects of hypertrophy. With legs, especially the hack squat, you need to create a slow, controlled eccentric coupled with an isometric pause and an explosive concentric.

yeah exactly.  I agree with TOO MUCH negative as well.  Especially when it comes to squats.  But I do like a solid pause at the bottom.  I always feel that really well!

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Scott_Herman
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And I always wait for the knee cap to come flying off or the "pop" of a ruptured patellar tendon when these people go down so fast and bounce up.  You should write an article titled "Don't Train With Mo" where "Mo" is Momentum.  Quickest way to the surgeon and having no gains.

 

John

I hear that John.  MO is a big problem in my gym.  Great idea! :)

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Scott_Herman
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Posted By: nate_dawg

I completely agree with everything you said Scott. I see guys doing the same thing with not just hack squats at the gym all the time. Generally I go up to 2 plates and a quarter per side and do sets of 10-12 reps as well. The hack squat is usually done after doing regular barbell squats, leg extensions, and leg presses for me as well. I love the hack squat. They really destroy the lower portion of the quads well.

Thanks Nathan.  Glad to see you agree with me!  I knew you would, I have been seeing those gains!

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I agree Scott,  think the ONLY way to get stronger and bigger is to be training with the FULL range of motion. 99% of the time a person lifts there form should be as peferect as can be. The only time that its okay for form breakdown is when you're one rep maxing.

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Posted By: Rishi_Ramsamooj

I agree Scott,  think the ONLY way to get stronger and bigger is to be training with the FULL range of motion. 99% of the time a person lifts there form should be as peferect as can be. The only time that its okay for form breakdown is when you're one rep maxing.

Exactly Rishi, or if you are on the last 1-2 reps of a set.. but you always try your best to keep form! :)

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I use free weights when I squat, so it makes it pretty hard to use momentum to get the weights up (well you could I guess, but I don't want to lose my knees trying to "swing" my way back up with a super-heavy weight). When I strength train (I'm starting to incorporate ALL rep ranges to promote muscle gain, and it's been proven to build strong, tight, and thick muscle), I will use momentum on my barbell curls, but at the top of the lift, I straighten my back while holding at the top, and lower the weight as slowly as possible. That way, I'm using the negative rep to maximize my strength and muscle gain. As for squats though, I might load up weight after normal squats, and do "kipping" squats to put my quads into COMPLETE failure...but I won't go full range or use momentum. Sometimes cheating is very beneficial, as long as you're smart about it and do proper form/lighter weights after cheating.

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