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Whisper p+ Kostas Kroustaloudis
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A lot of people are always asking how to build huge trapezius muscles and they usually refer to the upper traps which are at the sides of your neck. I got inspired to write this advice when I read Scott's "critique my physique" thread. He mentioned he would love to build him some bigger traps ( among other muscle groups such as hams and calves). I thought to share my personal experience.
So, my traps really grew when I started doing behind the neck pulldowns. Now, I know that most people do this for their lats but the truth is I dont really feel it there. A front lat pulldown or a reverse lat pulldown is so much better for the lats. The behind the neck version is really great for your rhomboids, your rear delts and your traps. 

Building huge traps is a matter of squeezing the muscle. Keep squeezing it harder and harder. Move more blood in the muscle.
When performing the behind the neck pulldown, as any other exercise it has a positive and a negative portion. On the positive focus on squeezing your shoulder-blades together and bring that bar down using your rhomboids and your rear delts. The sweet action is happening on the negative though. Really flex your traps and resist the negative on the way up. Go for a 6 second negative and keep flexing the traps as hard as possible. No other exercise will fire your traps like this one. 

People really insist on doing shrugs. Barbell shrugs, dumbell shrugs, smith shrugs. I dont like this exercise. Why? Its a really short range of motion and it doesnt do much for the traps. This is just my opinion though. If you get great results by just doing shrugs thats great. Keep in mind that genetics play a critical role on how fast your traps will grow.

Other good exercises for your "trap day" ( which is usually on my back day or very very rarely on shoulder day) are :

- Upright rows ( barbells, dumbells, smith machine, CABLES.)
- Face Pulls 
- Shoulder Press ( dumbells, barbells, behind the head )
- Wide grip Low cable row
- Deadlifts

Just give the behind the neck pulldown a try though. Focus on them traps and on that negative. Safety is also important so make sure you keep a neutral spine. ( meaning straight neck/ slightly tucked in chin). Weight is not of importance here.



Muscular Strength Athlete and Content Manager 6 Years Lifting Experience Bachelors in Molecular Chemistry/Biochemistry, Working towards Masters Lifting Style & Philosophy : Aikido, Energy, Balance, Flexibility, Posture
NGAFD
NGAFD g Nick Groeneveld
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Well, I don't have advanced cable machines a home. So I'm "limited" to the stuff I have. That means: deadlift, chin ups, loaded carries and farmer's walks for traps. I agree with your points, though.

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jmboiardi p John M Boiardi
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Posted By: Whisper

A lot of people are always asking how to build huge trapezius muscles and they usually refer to the upper traps which are at the sides of your neck. I got inspired to write this advice when I read Scott's "critique my physique" thread. He mentioned he would love to build him some bigger traps ( among other muscle groups such as hams and calves). I thought to share my personal experience.
So, my traps really grew when I started doing behind the neck pulldowns. Now, I know that most people do this for their lats but the truth is I dont really feel it there. A front lat pulldown or a reverse lat pulldown is so much better for the lats. The behind the neck version is really great for your rhomboids, your rear delts and your traps. 

Building huge traps is a matter of squeezing the muscle. Keep squeezing it harder and harder. Move more blood in the muscle.
When performing the behind the neck pulldown, as any other exercise it has a positive and a negative portion. On the positive focus on squeezing your shoulder-blades together and bring that bar down using your rhomboids and your rear delts. The sweet action is happening on the negative though. Really flex your traps and resist the negative on the way up. Go for a 6 second negative and keep flexing the traps as hard as possible. No other exercise will fire your traps like this one. 

People really insist on doing shrugs. Barbell shrugs, dumbell shrugs, smith shrugs. I dont like this exercise. Why? Its a really short range of motion and it doesnt do much for the traps. This is just my opinion though. If you get great results by just doing shrugs thats great. Keep in mind that genetics play a critical role on how fast your traps will grow.

Other good exercises for your "trap day" ( which is usually on my back day or very very rarely on shoulder day) are :

- Upright rows ( barbells, dumbells, smith machine, CABLES.)
- Face Pulls 
- Shoulder Press ( dumbells, barbells, behind the head )
- Wide grip Low cable row
- Deadlifts

Just give the behind the neck pulldown a try though. Focus on them traps and on that negative. Safety is also important so make sure you keep a neutral spine. ( meaning straight neck/ slightly tucked in chin). Weight is not of importance here.



Daniel,

 

Great post as ususal.  The trapezius is a very large muscle - dwarfed only by the Latissimus Dorsi.  I think people forget it runs from the top of your neck all the way down to the middle of your back and spreads out on both sides.  I have found that shrugs (dumbell or barbell) and upright rows work the upper 1/2 while low cable rows (pulled towards the sternum), shoulder pressing of any type, and close grip pull ups work the bottom 1/2.  I do feel it with behind the neck pulldowns somewhat but for me since my back and shoulders are a bit wide for my height, I feel these more in the Teres Major, Teres Minor, Rhomboids, and Infraspinatus muscles - not that that is bad :-)  Bottom line is you need to work with your own bio-mechanics and when doing behind the neck pulldowns weight doesn't matter as much as form as Daniel stated.

 

John

34 years of lifting and nutritional experience and resident "old man" :-) MS Athlete and past Super Hermanite since 2013.
Whisper
Whisper p+ Kostas Kroustaloudis
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Posted By: jmboiardi

Daniel,

 

Great post as ususal.  The trapezius is a very large muscle - dwarfed only by the Latissimus Dorsi.  I think people forget it runs from the top of your neck all the way down to the middle of your back and spreads out on both sides.  I have found that shrugs (dumbell or barbell) and upright rows work the upper 1/2 while low cable rows (pulled towards the sternum), shoulder pressing of any type, and close grip pull ups work the bottom 1/2.  I do feel it with behind the neck pulldowns somewhat but for me since my back and shoulders are a bit wide for my height, I feel these more in the Teres Major, Teres Minor, Rhomboids, and Infraspinatus muscles - not that that is bad :-)  Bottom line is you need to work with your own bio-mechanics and when doing behind the neck pulldowns weight doesn't matter as much as form as Daniel stated.

 

John

Good stuff man! I agree about the bio-mechanics. This might not work for really wide people. Everybody has to experiment with their body to find the best exercises. Suggestions like these usually help :D

Btw, this is hilarious man! You did the same mistake Nathan did a couple of hours ago. Its Kostas, not Daniel! :D

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jmboiardi
jmboiardi p John M Boiardi
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Posted By: Whisper

Good stuff man! I agree about the bio-mechanics. This might not work for really wide people. Everybody has to experiment with their body to find the best exercises. Suggestions like these usually help :D

Btw, this is hilarious man! You did the same mistake Nathan did a couple of hours ago. Its Kostas, not Daniel! :D

Sorry Kostas.   You have a similar pic to Daniel :-)

 

John

34 years of lifting and nutritional experience and resident "old man" :-) MS Athlete and past Super Hermanite since 2013.
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nate_dawg g Nathan Bishop
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453 Post(s) Gender: Male Goal: Bodybuilding Date Joined: December 12, 1969
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Posted By: Whisper

A lot of people are always asking how to build huge trapezius muscles and they usually refer to the upper traps which are at the sides of your neck. I got inspired to write this advice when I read Scott's "critique my physique" thread. He mentioned he would love to build him some bigger traps ( among other muscle groups such as hams and calves). I thought to share my personal experience.
So, my traps really grew when I started doing behind the neck pulldowns. Now, I know that most people do this for their lats but the truth is I dont really feel it there. A front lat pulldown or a reverse lat pulldown is so much better for the lats. The behind the neck version is really great for your rhomboids, your rear delts and your traps. 

Building huge traps is a matter of squeezing the muscle. Keep squeezing it harder and harder. Move more blood in the muscle.
When performing the behind the neck pulldown, as any other exercise it has a positive and a negative portion. On the positive focus on squeezing your shoulder-blades together and bring that bar down using your rhomboids and your rear delts. The sweet action is happening on the negative though. Really flex your traps and resist the negative on the way up. Go for a 6 second negative and keep flexing the traps as hard as possible. No other exercise will fire your traps like this one. 

People really insist on doing shrugs. Barbell shrugs, dumbell shrugs, smith shrugs. I dont like this exercise. Why? Its a really short range of motion and it doesnt do much for the traps. This is just my opinion though. If you get great results by just doing shrugs thats great. Keep in mind that genetics play a critical role on how fast your traps will grow.

Other good exercises for your "trap day" ( which is usually on my back day or very very rarely on shoulder day) are :

- Upright rows ( barbells, dumbells, smith machine, CABLES.)
- Face Pulls 
- Shoulder Press ( dumbells, barbells, behind the head )
- Wide grip Low cable row
- Deadlifts

Just give the behind the neck pulldown a try though. Focus on them traps and on that negative. Safety is also important so make sure you keep a neutral spine. ( meaning straight neck/ slightly tucked in chin). Weight is not of importance here.



I agree Kostas! The behind the neck pulldown seems to stimulate more of the rhomboids and traps than it does the lats. I always get complements on my traps. In fact I get a complement on them almost every day at the gym. The only exercises I really do to target them are shrugs and upright rows. The good thing about shrugs is that even though it is a short range of motion it allows you to use quite a bit of weight. As long as you shrug as high as you can and squeeze your traps on each rep the shrug is a very beneficial exercise. I prefer dumbbell shrugs to barbell or smith machine for the simple fact that each side is evenly working and I just get a better trap pump. My second exercise I love for traps is the upright row. I like both the barbell and the cable for this exercise. The key to this exercise is to squeeze the traps at the top and work a slow negative. you will feel your traps ripping apart. One key point that a lot of people forget while doing upright rows is to not let the bar, cable, or dumbbell touch or rub against your body. that will take tension off the traps. Lastly I would like to point out that the lying T-bar row has greatly increased the size and strength of my upper back including my traps. I always do traps on back and shoulder day twice per week. I Usually just do 1-2 exercises and 4-5 sets of 8-15 reps each for the traps. 

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nate_dawg g Nathan Bishop
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Posted By: NGAFD

Well, I don't have advanced cable machines a home. So I'm "limited" to the stuff I have. That means: deadlift, chin ups, loaded carries and farmer's walks for traps. I agree with your points, though.

Farmers walks are great for the traps man!

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nate_dawg g Nathan Bishop
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Posted By: jmboiardi

Daniel,

 

Great post as ususal.  The trapezius is a very large muscle - dwarfed only by the Latissimus Dorsi.  I think people forget it runs from the top of your neck all the way down to the middle of your back and spreads out on both sides.  I have found that shrugs (dumbell or barbell) and upright rows work the upper 1/2 while low cable rows (pulled towards the sternum), shoulder pressing of any type, and close grip pull ups work the bottom 1/2.  I do feel it with behind the neck pulldowns somewhat but for me since my back and shoulders are a bit wide for my height, I feel these more in the Teres Major, Teres Minor, Rhomboids, and Infraspinatus muscles - not that that is bad :-)  Bottom line is you need to work with your own bio-mechanics and when doing behind the neck pulldowns weight doesn't matter as much as form as Daniel stated.

 

John

True that John. You dont need a lot of weight for the behind the neck pulldown. Thats sort of a risky exercise. I personally dont care much for them. I prefer my pulldowns to the front.

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nate_dawg g Nathan Bishop
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Posted By: Whisper

Good stuff man! I agree about the bio-mechanics. This might not work for really wide people. Everybody has to experiment with their body to find the best exercises. Suggestions like these usually help :D

Btw, this is hilarious man! You did the same mistake Nathan did a couple of hours ago. Its Kostas, not Daniel! :D

well you and Daniel have the same profile pic so its easy to get you 2 mixed up. 

NGAFD
NGAFD g Nick Groeneveld
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Posted By: nate_dawg

Farmers walks are great for the traps man!

Yeah, mate. They're killer!

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Daniel_Meyer g Daniel Meyer
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Haha we do have similar profile pictures but we all know I HATE behind the neck pulldowns!!

Can I just clarify something here are we talking about growth of the upper trapezius here or the other two portions?

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Whisper
Whisper p+ Kostas Kroustaloudis
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Haha we do have similar profile pictures but we all know I HATE behind the neck pulldowns!!

Can I just clarify something here are we talking about growth of the upper trapezius here or the other two portions?

Yea I hated them too and I also thought they were dangerous for the shoulder/neck. Until I saw Kai Greene performing them with his "unique" style! We are talking about the upper trapezius. Of course it will engage the mid and the lower trapezius.

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Daniel_Meyer g Daniel Meyer
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Posted By: Whisper

Yea I hated them too and I also thought they were dangerous for the shoulder/neck. Until I saw Kai Greene performing them with his "unique" style! We are talking about the upper trapezius. Of course it will engage the mid and the lower trapezius.

Have you got a link for Kai Greene performing them? Have you got good results from performing these pulldowns?

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Scott_Herman a Scott Herman
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Posted By: Whisper

A lot of people are always asking how to build huge trapezius muscles and they usually refer to the upper traps which are at the sides of your neck. I got inspired to write this advice when I read Scott's "critique my physique" thread. He mentioned he would love to build him some bigger traps ( among other muscle groups such as hams and calves). I thought to share my personal experience.
So, my traps really grew when I started doing behind the neck pulldowns. Now, I know that most people do this for their lats but the truth is I dont really feel it there. A front lat pulldown or a reverse lat pulldown is so much better for the lats. The behind the neck version is really great for your rhomboids, your rear delts and your traps. 

Building huge traps is a matter of squeezing the muscle. Keep squeezing it harder and harder. Move more blood in the muscle.
When performing the behind the neck pulldown, as any other exercise it has a positive and a negative portion. On the positive focus on squeezing your shoulder-blades together and bring that bar down using your rhomboids and your rear delts. The sweet action is happening on the negative though. Really flex your traps and resist the negative on the way up. Go for a 6 second negative and keep flexing the traps as hard as possible. No other exercise will fire your traps like this one. 

People really insist on doing shrugs. Barbell shrugs, dumbell shrugs, smith shrugs. I dont like this exercise. Why? Its a really short range of motion and it doesnt do much for the traps. This is just my opinion though. If you get great results by just doing shrugs thats great. Keep in mind that genetics play a critical role on how fast your traps will grow.

Other good exercises for your "trap day" ( which is usually on my back day or very very rarely on shoulder day) are :

- Upright rows ( barbells, dumbells, smith machine, CABLES.)
- Face Pulls 
- Shoulder Press ( dumbells, barbells, behind the head )
- Wide grip Low cable row
- Deadlifts

Just give the behind the neck pulldown a try though. Focus on them traps and on that negative. Safety is also important so make sure you keep a neutral spine. ( meaning straight neck/ slightly tucked in chin). Weight is not of importance here.



Hey Kostas,

 

I have never thought of putting behind the-neck pull-downs in my traps workout, but you are right.  You definitely have to contract the traps and rhomboids.  I will give this a try for sure because I am definitely up for new ways to make my traps bigger! 

 

Thanks man!

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Whisper p+ Kostas Kroustaloudis
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Posted By: Daniel_Meyer

Have you got a link for Kai Greene performing them? Have you got good results from performing these pulldowns?

Yea man I got tremendous results doing them. My traps got huge in about 2-3 months after I started them. Here are 2 videos of Kai Greene performing them and giving advice. 

1st video  at about 1:40 and onward

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG32kXQxFu8

2nd video at about 13:05 and onward

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d2cBgpm0C0


You will not believe the pump you get on your traps when you do this. Have your lifting partner massage the upper traps and pinch them with their fingers while you are doing the set. It works even better if your lifting partner is your girlfriend! :D

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Scott_Herman a Scott Herman
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Posted By: Whisper

Yea man I got tremendous results doing them. My traps got huge in about 2-3 months after I started them. Here are 2 videos of Kai Greene performing them and giving advice. 

1st video  at about 1:40 and onward

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG32kXQxFu8

2nd video at about 13:05 and onward

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d2cBgpm0C0


You will not believe the pump you get on your traps when you do this. Have your lifting partner massage the upper traps and pinch them with their fingers while you are doing the set. It works even better if your lifting partner is your girlfriend! :D

haha I will have Erica try that for sure.  Thanks again man! #HTH

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