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jmboiardi
jmboiardi p John M Boiardi
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Posted By: Apoll_nor

It hurts typing this out, no it's not a sob-story, I've got some "great" DOMS going on in my biceps from my first wight lifting session in many many years, gotta love it.

I am 29 years old now, and with it comes wisdom and a decreased metabolic rate. The latter one has actually been a big part of my motivation for starting up again. You see, when I was 17 I lifted like crazy, 4-5 times a week, but with me being an ectomorph and having trouble eating without really being hungry, I faced the wall and I didn't have the will-power to break it. Now that I am ganing weight without having to go to the gym, I feel it might be easier and so my motivation sparks along with my general interrest in knowledge and research. 

Back when I was 17 I did not have a clear goal, I just wanted to get bigger and stronger in order to look after my self. I did not do any real research before heading to the gym either, but this time, I've been watching videos and reading articles that spesifically targets my body type and my goal, and the exersizes that make up my weekly plan.

 

At the moment, these are my stats:

 

Height: 176 cm (5'11)
Weight: 60 kg (130 lbs)

Muscles: Non existant in upperbody, but my legs are lean from playing soccer, but not as ripped as they could be.

Fat: Yes Sir! Even the skinny guy starts gaining fat when he approaches 30, and in all the wrong ways (looking like a starving african child)

 

Diet. Here is where I feel I'm at a loss. I'm a fan of easy food, be that junk or a more healthy baggete, does't matter to me. It might matter to my workout, but what I gather (at least until I hit the wall again) is that I'll go on as usual when it comes to food for the time being, as I am getting enough calories (and then some) as it is, and I am an ectomorph and I after each workout, and on the resting days I drink protein supplements (20g). Sounding good for now?

 

 

So you fellow ectos (and others that feel they have something to say) who have done the transformation, what do you think about this setup?

 

This is the weekly plan:

 

 

Day 1 - Chest / Triceps (Mon)

 

 

Day 2 - Back / Biceps (Wed)

 

 

 

Day 3 - Fun (Thu)

 

 

 

Day 3 - Legs / Shoulders (Sat)

 

Ketil,

 

The routine you have chosen, or most any routine for that matter, will produce results and will cause your muscles to adapt. You can modify/change your routine over time to match how your body is responding. That is the easy part. The hardest part to any transformation is diet and nutrition. Having a solid, healthy physique is 90% nutrition and 10% exercise. As they say, "You can't out-lift a bad diet". :-)

 

What we really need to help you is your meal plan - your needed daily calories, current body fat level, macro breakdowns, and goals (gain muscle or lose fat). Without this, all the exercise advice we give you is worthless. Also, don't get too caught up in the whole ectomorph, endomorph, mesomorph stuff. These are generalizations that have no real applicability to physique transformation goals. All being an "ectomorph" means is your metabolism is very efficient at using calories so as such it is "harder" to put on weight. There is no such thing as fast and slow metabolisms. It comes down to efficiency - some people's metabolisms are very efficient at processing calories meaning they use more of what they take in and store less as fat and others are not. The reason you are "skinny fat" is due to poor diet choices especially around carbohydrates. While it is true hormone levels decrease and the metabolism starts to slow down as you get older, these processes can be slowed down dramatically thru proper nutrition and exercise. I am 51 and have around 10% body fat and the testosterone levels of someone in their early 30's :-) But, I also eat a very strict and nutritious diet 24/7/365 and exercise very intensely 4 days a week.

 

Use the MEAL PLANS tab at the top of the MS.com home page to put together your meal plan. It is OK to "guesstimate" your body fat levels to get a starting point for your calories needed at rest (RMR) and the calories you will need to either gain muscle or lose fat. Once we have this info, we can better help you put together your entire program - lifting routine AND meal plan :-)

 

John

34 years of lifting and nutritional experience and resident "old man" :-) MS Athlete and past Super Hermanite since 2013.
Scott_Herman
Scott_Herman a Scott Herman
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Posted By: jmboiardi

Ketil,

 

The routine you have chosen, or most any routine for that matter, will produce results and will cause your muscles to adapt. You can modify/change your routine over time to match how your body is responding. That is the easy part. The hardest part to any transformation is diet and nutrition. Having a solid, healthy physique is 90% nutrition and 10% exercise. As they say, "You can't out-lift a bad diet". :-)

 

What we really need to help you is your meal plan - your needed daily calories, current body fat level, macro breakdowns, and goals (gain muscle or lose fat). Without this, all the exercise advice we give you is worthless. Also, don't get too caught up in the whole ectomorph, endomorph, mesomorph stuff. These are generalizations that have no real applicability to physique transformation goals. All being an "ectomorph" means is your metabolism is very efficient at using calories so as such it is "harder" to put on weight. There is no such thing as fast and slow metabolisms. It comes down to efficiency - some people's metabolisms are very efficient at processing calories meaning they use more of what they take in and store less as fat and others are not. The reason you are "skinny fat" is due to poor diet choices especially around carbohydrates. While it is true hormone levels decrease and the metabolism starts to slow down as you get older, these processes can be slowed down dramatically thru proper nutrition and exercise. I am 51 and have around 10% body fat and the testosterone levels of someone in their early 30's :-) But, I also eat a very strict and nutritious diet 24/7/365 and exercise very intensely 4 days a week.

 

Use the MEAL PLANS tab at the top of the MS.com home page to put together your meal plan. It is OK to "guesstimate" your body fat levels to get a starting point for your calories needed at rest (RMR) and the calories you will need to either gain muscle or lose fat. Once we have this info, we can better help you put together your entire program - lifting routine AND meal plan :-)

 

John

@jmboiardi is right. Meal plan is everything.

 

Definitely go to the @mealplan page and use my video to find your macros. then come back here and let us know and we will get them tweaked if necessary.

 

Also, I would like to see a bit mroe volume in your workouts. At least 12 to 15 working sets per bodypart.

 

Have you thought about incorporating drop sets or burn sets? Do you know what they are?

 

I am really happy you came to us bro! We got your back!

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JoeHurricane
JoeHurricane p Jordan Matthews
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Posted By: Apoll_nor

Hey guys, thanks for replying, this means alot!

 

Diet...I suspect this is mostly what I did wrong when I was younger and hit the first wall. I'll do some research into nutrition and body fat calculation and get back to you guys with the numbers. I'll have to talk with SO about this as I have no idea whats in some of the food she makes but when she makes it she does like to keep them healthy (lots of veggies), I fear its my "cooking" that is dissapointing as you would be able to find all the numbers by reading at the back of 1 times can/box. I'll look into the meal planner and also make a suggestion on what I can see my self eating in the future for each meal and if that needs modifications :)

 

My goal is getting in beach body shape for next summer. Meaning transformation from 130 pounds of muscle/fat to 160 pounds of muscle if that is realistic?

 

I'm pretty sure that the fat I have packed on around my belly and pecs will dissapate just by changing up my diet. So the main focus on the exersize should be muscular gain, I've added a day 0 picture to my gallery for your viewing pleasure, perhaps that will also say something about my corrent body fat levels?

 

If you say so Scott, I'll up the reps for each exersize. I've read that heavy weight low reps is the way to go for fast muscle gain, but I did also watch you video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv3zzUC9STc) where you say this doesn't need to be true?

 

Burn sets and drops sets are the same thing yes? I did one out of neccessity on wednesday, when my last exersize was alternating biceps curls. I had to drop the weight all the way down to the puny 3 kg weights in order to meet my reps, and even after doing that I had to use "phantom" weights for that last couple of reps on my left arm in order to complete. Would you say I should incorporate these for each exersize, or for the last exersize of particular muscle groups, like for example biceps? (leaving it out for the core exersizes?).

 

I actually did a few online calculations, and it turns out my Body Fat % is 8,5.

 

Body Weight : 130 Pounds

Body Fat : 0.085 Percent

Fat Weight : 11 Pounds

Lean Weight : 119 Pounds

 

BMRR : 1560 Cal

BMRM : 1873 Cal

BMR Avg : 1717 Cal

 

ProteinM : 1.5 g/plw

ProteinG : 178 g

 

FatM : 0.5 g/plw

FatG : 60 g

 

Meal Plan

Protein : 178g (713 cal)

Fat : 59g (535 cal)

 

Prot+Fat : 1248 Calories

BMR Goal : 2216 (BMR Average + 500)

Difference : 968

Carb Grams : 242

 

-- Final Macros --

 

Protein : 180g : 720c

Fat : 60g : 540c

Carbs: 240g : 960c

 

Total Calories: 2220

 

I calculated what I expect to eat and drink today, so you can see, quite far off on all accounts

 

I totalted on 1800 kcal

195 (240) Carbs

97 g (180) Protein

44 g (60) Fat

 

Looks like if i manage to supplement protein, ill be pretty close to the Calorie goal:

 

So I'm getting about 100g today, I need 80 more.

80g/prot * 4 = 320 Cal

1800 cal + 320 cal = 2120 cal (goal 2200)

 

Is it just me, or does it seem a little weird that I missing that much protein in my diet, or is that normal for gainers?

 

Hey man!

 

I'll start with your concern about your fat - it's probably not as bad as you think, it's just that you probably don't have a significant amount of muscle yet to balance it out - which is what you're working towards, so as you put on more muscle, you might actually feel "less fat" if that makes sense. I'm not saying you couldn't lose more fat if you wanted to though.

 

Your goal is to get in shape for summer - when is your summer? If it is just around the corner (June), yes you can get in shape, but putting on 30 lbs of lean muscle is probably a bit far-fetched. You can potentially put on 20-30lbs in your first year of training, assuming you have a solid training plan and have your meal plan sorted so that you are eating enough.

 

You may be correct with your body fat levels - I would guesstimate somewhere possibly more around 10-15%. As for your desire for fat to dissipate from your chest and belly, I'm sorry to say you can't spot reduce fat, so it will just be a matter of your body deciding where it wants to lose fat from first.

 

Some people respond better to training with high volume and others are better with heavy weight and low reps - both methods work, you just need to try each one for 4-6 weeks and see which gets you the best results.

 

You can do burn sets and drop sets throughout your entire workout if you like, but adding them into your routine as finishers is a great idea, maybe you could start with that and if it works, start doing more and more drop/burn sets.

 

Your macros are OK...maybe try these numbers...

Protein - 180g (720 Calories)

Fat - 80g (720 Calories)

Carbs - 200g (800 Calories)

 

Total Calories = 2240

 

Hope this helps!

 

Jordan

SHF Athlete MS Athlete Partial Fitness YouTuber
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