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Hey there guys,
I know this is very important to ask, but I would like to know if I'm right with this. So here's the question. In doing the Bench Press, as you bring down the bar near to your throat, it seems like it hit more on the upper chest? Did you ever encounter this one? Thanks in advance.
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I think it's wrong because when I'm doing bench press and trying hard to keep bring the bar down to the middle of my chest (nipples :)) as it should be, I find myself sometimes bring it down to the upper direction at my lasts reps when I really fatigue. I think in that way you participate your shouldres more and less the chest which you wanna hit.
To work on the upper chest you have all the incline exercises.
For me bringing the dumbbells or barbels lower than a 90-70 degree angle is wrong. I dunno if I am right about this, but it affects your shoulders which, can cause injury. I know I quite don't have that chest yet; but everytime I lift, I just make sure I don't go too low. Because when I do, I feel the pressure on my shoulders and it gets quite uncomfortable. Below the colar bone is fine when hitting the upper chest when you are in an inclined bench.
Please correct me if I am wrong haha. Just sharing my thoughts on this. :)
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I know this is very important to ask, but I would like to know if I'm right with this. So here's the question. In doing the Bench Press, as you bring down the bar near to your throat, it seems like it hit more on the upper chest? Did you ever encounter this one? Thanks in advance.
What's up Mike?!
Try to avoid bench pressing and bringing the weight down over your throat. You're right, it will hit the upper chest, but it's safer to stick to incline bench or high cable flies to target it.
If you are doing it over your throat, definitely use a lighter weight than usual - don't want to have you dropping the bar on your throat! Not good.
I know in doing BB press, we should bring down the bar in the nipple area (middle). I just asked this becasue I'm doing an experiment on how to hit my upper chest aside from doing incline press. And when I did bench press by brining down the bar near my throat.. it really hit my upper chest so bad and I don't feel any pressure from my shoulder. So weird!! And now, you two say it was a bad idea, I won't do it again. ahahaahaha Thanks again. :)
( Beginner ) 1 Year Lifting Experience
Bachelor of Science in Marketing Management
Don't be afraid to make mistakes, face failure and fall, because most of the time, the greatest rewards come from doing the things that scare you the most. You'll get everything you wish for... just focus and work on it. And you'll get more than you could ever have imagined. Who knows where life will take you. The road is long, and in the end - - the journey is the destination.
Try to avoid bench pressing and bringing the weight down over your throat. You're right, it will hit the upper chest, but it's safer to stick to incline bench or high cable flies to target it.
If you are doing it over your throat, definitely use a lighter weight than usual - don't want to have you dropping the bar on your throat! Not good.
Hey there Joe,
Thanks man! just having a little experiment ahahahahah.
Yeah it really hit my upper chest.. and so amazed by that time. But I just realized that it would be bad if I drop the weights (140lbs) on my throat.. for sure I will not able to survive that. hahahaha
( Beginner ) 1 Year Lifting Experience
Bachelor of Science in Marketing Management
Don't be afraid to make mistakes, face failure and fall, because most of the time, the greatest rewards come from doing the things that scare you the most. You'll get everything you wish for... just focus and work on it. And you'll get more than you could ever have imagined. Who knows where life will take you. The road is long, and in the end - - the journey is the destination.
For me bringing the dumbbells or barbels lower than a 90-70 degree angle is wrong. I dunno if I am right about this, but it affects your shoulders which, can cause injury. I know I quite don't have that chest yet; but everytime I lift, I just make sure I don't go too low. Because when I do, I feel the pressure on my shoulders and it gets quite uncomfortable. Below the colar bone is fine when hitting the upper chest when you are in an inclined bench.
Please correct me if I am wrong haha. Just sharing my thoughts on this. :)
Hey Michael!
Only lowering the bar or dumbbells to 90 degrees will work your chest, and you will see some growth.
However, for optimal GAINS, you should practice and get used to using full Range of Motion (ROM). This way you are stimluating the entire muscle, rather than just doing partial reps.
By not using full ROM, you might be more prone to injury too, because if your chest is ever stretched past the 90 degree ROM you train it in, something could snap or tear etc. This is true for ALL EXERCISES as well (think shoulder press, dips, squats etc.).
Full ROM leads to better gains and probably a bigger chest. If you aren't used to full ROM, it's normal for there to be some pain in your shoulders. Be sure to lower the weight at first to help your shoulders adjust, and work your way back up to your normal weight.
Thanks man! just having a little experiment ahahahahah.
Yeah it really hit my upper chest.. and so amazed by that time. But I just realized that it would be bad if I drop the weights (140lbs) on my throat.. for sure I will not able to survive that. hahahaha
Definitely not! Experimentation is good...just don't go killing yourself! haha #HTH
Only lowering the bar or dumbbells to 90 degrees will work your chest, and you will see some growth.
However, for optimal GAINS, you should practice and get used to using full Range of Motion (ROM). This way you are stimluating the entire muscle, rather than just doing partial reps.
By not using full ROM, you might be more prone to injury too, because if your chest is ever stretched past the 90 degree ROM you train it in, something could snap or tear etc. This is true for ALL EXERCISES as well (think shoulder press, dips, squats etc.).
Full ROM leads to better gains and probably a bigger chest. If you aren't used to full ROM, it's normal for there to be some pain in your shoulders. Be sure to lower the weight at first to help your shoulders adjust, and work your way back up to your normal weight.
Wow! Nice! That's how it works. I do ROM, or partial ROM sometimes. But, most of the time when I am lifting more than the weight I can lift, I do it until 90 degree angle. For warmup set, I do below 90 degree angle. I just make sure I don't go below 70 degree if I am lifting weights which I know are too much for me. Maybe just to avoid unnecessary events. Trauma on injuries are living in my head, seriously haha.
Anyway, will keep that in mind. Will do it on my normal sets as a start.
"Hard work beats talent, if talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
"Never say never, because limits, like fears, are often just an illusion." - Michael Jordan
I know this is very important to ask, but I would like to know if I'm right with this. So here's the question. In doing the Bench Press, as you bring down the bar near to your throat, it seems like it hit more on the upper chest? Did you ever encounter this one? Thanks in advance.
Mike,
Yes, these target the upper chest but you must be VERY careful as both your shoulders and pectoral/humerus tendon are in a very compromised position. If you do these very light, controlled, and stop if it causes any discomfort, they are another option to hit the upper pecs. I did these many years ago and the key was using a weight that you could lower and press slowly - no jerking or momentum :-)
John
34 years of lifting and nutritional experience and resident "old man" :-)
MS Athlete and past Super Hermanite since 2013.
I know this is very important to ask, but I would like to know if I'm right with this. So here's the question. In doing the Bench Press, as you bring down the bar near to your throat, it seems like it hit more on the upper chest? Did you ever encounter this one? Thanks in advance.
Mike,
Guys got you covered on the guillotine press. It is a good lift for the upper chest but yes it is definately stressfull on your shoulders and should not be a staple in your routine. Incline flyes and press should be a staple in your routine. A couple other things you can try is reverse grip bench which has been shown to hit the upper pecs better than incline. Incline press activate the uppers 5% greater than the standard bench and the shoulders 85% more. The reverse grip(flat) bench will target your upper chest 30% more and be easier on your shoulder by bringing your elbows in more to your sides. It is safer to have a spotter but if you do not just set the bar on your chest and one at a time reverse your grip but do keep thumbs wrapped around the bar. This lift will be a bit akword and take some getting used too but do notice how during lockout the bar ends up over your face. Another thing to try is pre exhausting your chest. I superset incline flyes with incline press. The weight is alot less than you could normally do but the idea is to wear out your chest with isolation flyes and then hit them hard with pressed to finish exhausting them. Usually during presses you don't fully exhaust your chest muscles because your shoulders and tris will give out first. I do 3 sets, 12 reps incline flyes immediatley followed by 8 reps incline press. It will definatly give you something to think about the next few days. I'm sure it could be done in reverse as well by finishing exhausting your chest with flyes after your presses but since the majority of us do compound with isolation finishers this is a great way to change things up.
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Yes, these target the upper chest but you must be VERY careful as both your shoulders and pectoral/humerus tendon are in a very compromised position. If you do these very light, controlled, and stop if it causes any discomfort, they are another option to hit the upper pecs. I did these many years ago and the key was using a weight that you could lower and press slowly - no jerking or momentum :-)
John
Thank you John, I will try this one for 6 months and let see if this will make my upper chest much bigger. And I'll keep that in my mind..I will never carry a heavy weights,used only a light weight that I could lower and press slowly to avoid too much pressure in my shoulder.. Thanks again.
( Beginner ) 1 Year Lifting Experience
Bachelor of Science in Marketing Management
Don't be afraid to make mistakes, face failure and fall, because most of the time, the greatest rewards come from doing the things that scare you the most. You'll get everything you wish for... just focus and work on it. And you'll get more than you could ever have imagined. Who knows where life will take you. The road is long, and in the end - - the journey is the destination.
Only lowering the bar or dumbbells to 90 degrees will work your chest, and you will see some growth.
However, for optimal GAINS, you should practice and get used to using full Range of Motion (ROM). This way you are stimluating the entire muscle, rather than just doing partial reps.
By not using full ROM, you might be more prone to injury too, because if your chest is ever stretched past the 90 degree ROM you train it in, something could snap or tear etc. This is true for ALL EXERCISES as well (think shoulder press, dips, squats etc.).
Full ROM leads to better gains and probably a bigger chest. If you aren't used to full ROM, it's normal for there to be some pain in your shoulders. Be sure to lower the weight at first to help your shoulders adjust, and work your way back up to your normal weight.
I agree with this one Joe, not doing FULL ROM will cause too much compress pressure in the shoulder area that might lead to an injury. As what they say doing a HALF ROM will give you a HALF RESULT, and if you do FULL ROM, you will get a FULL satisfying result. ahahaha.
( Beginner ) 1 Year Lifting Experience
Bachelor of Science in Marketing Management
Don't be afraid to make mistakes, face failure and fall, because most of the time, the greatest rewards come from doing the things that scare you the most. You'll get everything you wish for... just focus and work on it. And you'll get more than you could ever have imagined. Who knows where life will take you. The road is long, and in the end - - the journey is the destination.
Wow! Nice! That's how it works. I do ROM, or partial ROM sometimes. But, most of the time when I am lifting more than the weight I can lift, I do it until 90 degree angle. For warmup set, I do below 90 degree angle. I just make sure I don't go below 70 degree if I am lifting weights which I know are too much for me. Maybe just to avoid unnecessary events. Trauma on injuries are living in my head, seriously haha.
Anyway, will keep that in mind. Will do it on my normal sets as a start.
That's good man, you can still control the angle until your last reps? sometimes I failed to this part for my last 2-3 reps. ahahaha
( Beginner ) 1 Year Lifting Experience
Bachelor of Science in Marketing Management
Don't be afraid to make mistakes, face failure and fall, because most of the time, the greatest rewards come from doing the things that scare you the most. You'll get everything you wish for... just focus and work on it. And you'll get more than you could ever have imagined. Who knows where life will take you. The road is long, and in the end - - the journey is the destination.
Guys got you covered on the guillotine press. It is a good lift for the upper chest but yes it is definately stressfull on your shoulders and should not be a staple in your routine. Incline flyes and press should be a staple in your routine. A couple other things you can try is reverse grip bench which has been shown to hit the upper pecs better than incline. Incline press activate the uppers 5% greater than the standard bench and the shoulders 85% more. The reverse grip(flat) bench will target your upper chest 30% more and be easier on your shoulder by bringing your elbows in more to your sides. It is safer to have a spotter but if you do not just set the bar on your chest and one at a time reverse your grip but do keep thumbs wrapped around the bar. This lift will be a bit akword and take some getting used too but do notice how during lockout the bar ends up over your face. Another thing to try is pre exhausting your chest. I superset incline flyes with incline press. The weight is alot less than you could normally do but the idea is to wear out your chest with isolation flyes and then hit them hard with pressed to finish exhausting them. Usually during presses you don't fully exhaust your chest muscles because your shoulders and tris will give out first. I do 3 sets, 12 reps incline flyes immediatley followed by 8 reps incline press. It will definatly give you something to think about the next few days. I'm sure it could be done in reverse as well by finishing exhausting your chest with flyes after your presses but since the majority of us do compound with isolation finishers this is a great way to change things up.
I'll try your routine for sure man.. looks great. Thanks for the advice.. will keep this in my mind. But I would like to try it, yes I know you are right..it's very stressful in the shoulder area, as it hit my chest.. It give me a serious pumped! and I would like to add this in my routine, no worries man.. I will look for a spotter for this one and lift weight that I can carry so that it will not cause too much pressure in my shoulder or to avoid any possible injury. ahahahah
( Beginner ) 1 Year Lifting Experience
Bachelor of Science in Marketing Management
Don't be afraid to make mistakes, face failure and fall, because most of the time, the greatest rewards come from doing the things that scare you the most. You'll get everything you wish for... just focus and work on it. And you'll get more than you could ever have imagined. Who knows where life will take you. The road is long, and in the end - - the journey is the destination.