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Kevin Levrone - "Clean eating is a thing of the past"

Link to Generation Iron article that I leave open to discussion

jcgadfly
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Posted By: jcgadfly

http://generationiron.com/kevin-levrone-clean-eating-is-a-thing-of-the-past/

 

I leave this up for discussion between the fans of clean eating, iifym fans and anyone else who wants to play.

This discussion should be good, haha. It does not surprise me that Kevin Levrone said that since he is coming back to the bodybuilding scene this year and competing in the Mr O he needs some kind of attention. I doubt he will ever beat Phil Heath, I actually doubt if he will even place top 5 because the ones in those spots are really good every single year. With that said, Kevin Levrone is correct to say that moderation is important, for anyone who are not professional bodybuilders I think 80/20 is actually a pretty good ratio to follow, mostly clean and healthy foods mixed in with some "dirty foods", this allows for moderation. On the other hand he is going up against the top guys of bodybuilding and I do not see him winning if he will eat like this while the others are following a much more strict diet. If his goal is to win, he is doing it wrong and I would be SERIOUSLY surprised if he could prove me wrong on that.

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At the end of the day, what you eat and when is as personal a decision as whether to stay natural or not. Many people here know my personal views on nutrition and why I feel the way I do. That being said, your nutrition plan should be one that you can maintain, meets your goals, and contributes to your health (if that is important to you).

 

I would not take anything Kevin Levrone says seriously. The use of anabolics and growth hormone dramatically change how the body processes and uses calories - from all sources - and the huge boost in testosterone levels un-naturally skews the leaness that can be achieved with a "suspect" diet. If you choose to use anabolics and/or don't care too much about the quality of the calories you eat, then what he says has some credence. If you prefer to do things the natural way - especially as you age - the amount and quality of calories you ingest is very critical.

 

John

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Posted By: jmboiardi

At the end of the day, what you eat and when is as personal a decision as whether to stay natural or not. Many people here know my personal views on nutrition and why I feel the way I do. That being said, your nutrition plan should be one that you can maintain, meets your goals, and contributes to your health (if that is important to you).

 

I would not take anything Kevin Levrone says seriously. The use of anabolics and growth hormone dramatically change how the body processes and uses calories - from all sources - and the huge boost in testosterone levels un-naturally skews the leaness that can be achieved with a "suspect" diet. If you choose to use anabolics and/or don't care too much about the quality of the calories you eat, then what he says has some credence. If you prefer to do things the natural way - especially as you age - the amount and quality of calories you ingest is very critical.

 

John

Not taking anything seriously. Just throwing it out there for discussion.

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Posted By: jmboiardi

At the end of the day, what you eat and when is as personal a decision as whether to stay natural or not. Many people here know my personal views on nutrition and why I feel the way I do. That being said, your nutrition plan should be one that you can maintain, meets your goals, and contributes to your health (if that is important to you).

 

I would not take anything Kevin Levrone says seriously. The use of anabolics and growth hormone dramatically change how the body processes and uses calories - from all sources - and the huge boost in testosterone levels un-naturally skews the leaness that can be achieved with a "suspect" diet. If you choose to use anabolics and/or don't care too much about the quality of the calories you eat, then what he says has some credence. If you prefer to do things the natural way - especially as you age - the amount and quality of calories you ingest is very critical.

 

John

Yeah it has been well documented that when you are on roids, you can pretty much eat anything and will stay lean and grow muscle. So of course he is going to preach this bullshit. He is on gear.

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Yeah it has been well documented that when you are on roids, you can pretty much eat anything and will stay lean and grow muscle. So of course he is going to preach this bullshit. He is on gear.

It's the IFBB- who's not enhanced?

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Yeah it has been well documented that when you are on roids, you can pretty much eat anything and will stay lean and grow muscle. So of course he is going to preach this bullshit. He is on gear.

Is this the same documentation that shows that enhanced athletes also don't have to train much to stay diced and make gains?

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I don't know. Nothing that had been written there was "too drastic" to be honest. Let's leave alone the factor that he is on gear, and look at the diet he is promotong from a regular person's view.

 

All that was shown was still good meals. And he only promoted the view of eating 80% clean and 20 % of some treats. It wasn't said that those treats need to be crazy bad stuff for your body, and the foods on the pics were also still "good" foods and not processed crap.

 

It's a general advise that we give new starters here too, to make sure to eat "at least" 80% clean and 20% of moderate treats. It will already change a lot for most people. Because let's be honest most people eat 200% of processed crap all day.

 

And for most people it also is not needed to eat "clean" as in eat rice and chicken all day. Especially if you don't plan on competing or are a photomodel or anything of that kind.

 

It's the same deal as an athlete can not ban all carbs from their diet, because they simply would not have the energy to perform.

 

I myself am a promoter of clean eating. But clean eating also for me does not mean to ban all and every source of carbs. You need to eat 'smart' that is the key. I learned to see food as fuel. And give my body what it needs when it needs it. Meaning i don't overfill it with carbs when i know i'll just be sitting at work, or laying on the sofa. But i will flush down incredible amounts of carbs (rice, potatos, pasta) after a hard training to refill my storage. And also eat an orderly meal before my training sessions. I eat tons of fatty nuts, but in return i eat at those times less carbs. It really is all about timing and seeing itz as the fuel it is for our body, and not as treat or comfort food. Eat smart !

 

I have recently become fond of eating caloric dense foods too. Mixed with lots veggies and salads. To get in my calories. I love heavy fatty breakfasts. (eggs , bacon, milk), or a carb breakfast ( lots Oats and milk), both versions are no "crap" foods, but also not what most people would eat in fear of "omg it will make me fat!".

No it won't. It's all about when you eat what. And mostly about ' don't eat processed foods. (Unless you processed them yourself) and don't overeat. (or at least not too much when you are trying to bulk - since your body can only utilize so-and-so-much to build new muscle per week/month)

 

And about treats... i consider a selfmade pancake with some banana slices or some cooked berries a treat. And also this is no crap food (unmless you flood it with white sugar of course -.-)

 

So yeah in the end it's all about : what are your goals, and even if I am eating one way.. i will not tell everybody to eat the same way. I might advertise the way of eating, but in the end it's up to everyone's goals. And my way of eating also might not suit for everyone's purposes.

 

And of course we all know on "gear" you can eat all crap you want.

 

And as a facit, i go with what John already said: "That being said, your nutrition plan should be one that you can maintain, meets your goals, and contributes to your health (if that is important to you)." As i completely agree :)

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Posted By: crood

I don't know. Nothing that had been written there was "too drastic" to be honest. Let's leave alone the factor that he is on gear, and look at the diet he is promotong from a regular person's view.

 

All that was shown was still good meals. And he only promoted the view of eating 80% clean and 20 % of some treats. It wasn't said that those treats need to be crazy bad stuff for your body, and the foods on the pics were also still "good" foods and not processed crap.

 

It's a general advise that we give new starters here too, to make sure to eat "at least" 80% clean and 20% of moderate treats. It will already change a lot for most people. Because let's be honest most people eat 200% of processed crap all day.

 

And for most people it also is not needed to eat "clean" as in eat rice and chicken all day. Especially if you don't plan on competing or are a photomodel or anything of that kind.

 

It's the same deal as an athlete can not ban all carbs from their diet, because they simply would not have the energy to perform.

 

I myself am a promoter of clean eating. But clean eating also for me does not mean to ban all and every source of carbs. You need to eat 'smart' that is the key. I learned to see food as fuel. And give my body what it needs when it needs it. Meaning i don't overfill it with carbs when i know i'll just be sitting at work, or laying on the sofa. But i will flush down incredible amounts of carbs (rice, potatos, pasta) after a hard training to refill my storage. And also eat an orderly meal before my training sessions. I eat tons of fatty nuts, but in return i eat at those times less carbs. It really is all about timing and seeing itz as the fuel it is for our body, and not as treat or comfort food. Eat smart !

 

I have recently become fond of eating caloric dense foods too. Mixed with lots veggies and salads. To get in my calories. I love heavy fatty breakfasts. (eggs , bacon, milk), or a carb breakfast ( lots Oats and milk), both versions are no "crap" foods, but also not what most people would eat in fear of "omg it will make me fat!".

No it won't. It's all about when you eat what. And mostly about ' don't eat processed foods. (Unless you processed them yourself) and don't overeat. (or at least not too much when you are trying to bulk - since your body can only utilize so-and-so-much to build new muscle per week/month)

 

And about treats... i consider a selfmade pancake with some banana slices or some cooked berries a treat. And also this is no crap food (unmless you flood it with white sugar of course -.-)

 

So yeah in the end it's all about : what are your goals, and even if I am eating one way.. i will not tell everybody to eat the same way. I might advertise the way of eating, but in the end it's up to everyone's goals. And my way of eating also might not suit for everyone's purposes.

 

And of course we all know on "gear" you can eat all crap you want.

 

And as a facit, i go with what John already said: "That being said, your nutrition plan should be one that you can maintain, meets your goals, and contributes to your health (if that is important to you)." As i completely agree :)

You said it well @crood. Great post :-D

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