Hi John,
I also just looked at the label. I dont see either of those two substances you listed(unless they go by another name on the label). There is an older version of Powderburn that may have that stuff in it but the PowderBurn 2.0(current product) doesnt list either on their label. Also only their old version was marketed as a "military grade"...yes I am aware that this does not mean it is endorced my the armed forces....its marketing, nothing more.
I still hold the opinion that most pre-workouts arent overly healthy for you, and yes I agree that a lot of companies mis represent their products....thats why in large I do not take them. One small container of pre-workout generally lasts me long enough that I throw it away before I use it all becasue its so old. I really only use it once every month or two.
It was just my thought that Jack3d was an exceptionally bad product that caused MAJOR health problems....even after it was found out...Jack3d although they stopped production they continued to sell the dangerous product at a discount rate to get rid of stock vs scrapping it.
But in large part, I like RivalUS, they are owned now by ON which is one of the best known and respected supplement companies. I started on RivalUs because it was started in my hometown, it had a local connection, and got great reviews, when I had questions or concerns about a product I heard directly from BURKE himself with answers/refunds/etc...not saying they are perfect, but I trust them a hell of a lot more than a majority of the products out there.
Cheers...Matt