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England11 g Ben England
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Hey guys,

 

So at the beginning of July I weighed 143.5 lbs fasted and I was eating 2600 calories. In the past month, August, I raised my calories to 3000, which is well over the amount I need to gain weight (I only need 2550). So I weighed myself today and I weighed 144 lbs. I feel like since I've been eating so many excess calories, I should be gaining weight faster than .5 lbs in two months? I have maybe gained a pound all summer.

 

Also, I have made strength gains, so I figured I would be packing on more muscle. And I haven't had the fat on my body to burn which would stall weight gain.

 

I have had a lot of trouble gaining weight ever since I switced to high volume training at the beginning of the summer BUT I get a much larger pump.

 

The only supplement I take it post workout whey protein. I don't know if that's important.

 

Any advice is appreciate, thanks!

 

Ben

 

 

jmboiardi
jmboiardi p John M Boiardi
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Posted By: England11

Hey guys,

 

So at the beginning of July I weighed 143.5 lbs fasted and I was eating 2600 calories. In the past month, August, I raised my calories to 3000, which is well over the amount I need to gain weight (I only need 2550). So I weighed myself today and I weighed 144 lbs. I feel like since I've been eating so many excess calories, I should be gaining weight faster than .5 lbs in two months? I have maybe gained a pound all summer.

 

Also, I have made strength gains, so I figured I would be packing on more muscle. And I haven't had the fat on my body to burn which would stall weight gain.

 

I have had a lot of trouble gaining weight ever since I switced to high volume training at the beginning of the summer BUT I get a much larger pump.

 

The only supplement I take it post workout whey protein. I don't know if that's important.

 

Any advice is appreciate, thanks!

 

Ben

 

 

Ben,

 

The bottom line is you have a very effcient metabolism. If you are doing high volume training, your caloric requirements will go up substantially. Don't go by figures and caloric recommendations from the Internet. Gaining weight while staying lean is a slow process. .5 Lbs in two months, while slow, is good if the weight gain is lean. 3000 is probably still not enough for your training and our metabolism hence the small amount of weight gain. Try upping it to 3500 calories. If you are gaining more lean weight, then you are good to go. If you find you are gaining weight and fat, then you need to cut it back a bit.

 

As for strength, it is not only your muscles that get bigger and stronger but also your central nervou system (CNS) gets more efficient at activating muscles fibers. If your strenght is increasing even if your weigh is not, that is still a good thing.

 

John

34 years of lifting and nutritional experience and resident "old man" :-) MS Athlete and past Super Hermanite since 2013.
JoeHurricane
JoeHurricane p Jordan Matthews
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Posted By: England11

Hey guys,

 

So at the beginning of July I weighed 143.5 lbs fasted and I was eating 2600 calories. In the past month, August, I raised my calories to 3000, which is well over the amount I need to gain weight (I only need 2550). So I weighed myself today and I weighed 144 lbs. I feel like since I've been eating so many excess calories, I should be gaining weight faster than .5 lbs in two months? I have maybe gained a pound all summer.

 

Also, I have made strength gains, so I figured I would be packing on more muscle. And I haven't had the fat on my body to burn which would stall weight gain.

 

I have had a lot of trouble gaining weight ever since I switced to high volume training at the beginning of the summer BUT I get a much larger pump.

 

The only supplement I take it post workout whey protein. I don't know if that's important.

 

Any advice is appreciate, thanks!

 

Ben

 

 

I agree with John - Don't go by what you find on the internet or what other people say, go by what results you are seeing. Strength gains are just as good as weight gain, if not better - it means you are staying lean but able to lift heavier.

 

The lack of weight gain simply suggests you are not eating enough calories for the amount of training you are doing. How much cardio do you do? That could be an issue if you are doing it every day or every workout day.

 

Were you gaining weight more consistently before you switched to high volume training?

 

Taking whey protein after working out is great, the only reason you may want to have more is to increase your caloric intake, but having it just after training is fine and the optimal time to be having it.

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mcleslie
mcleslie g Leslie Lamberto Lazzarino
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You wrote: "I have had a lot of trouble gaining weight ever since I switced to high volume training at the beginning of the summer BUT I get a much larger pump."

 

The amount of pump you get doesn't tell anything about how good your training program is: the pump is just a matter of doing lots of reps, therefore convincing your body to send a lot of blood to the muscles involved.

 

If your goal is building muscle, and you gained muscles with low volume, but you don't make gains with high volume, than just go back to low volume, because that is what works best with your body.

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England11
England11 g Ben England
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Posted By: jmboiardi

Ben,

 

The bottom line is you have a very effcient metabolism. If you are doing high volume training, your caloric requirements will go up substantially. Don't go by figures and caloric recommendations from the Internet. Gaining weight while staying lean is a slow process. .5 Lbs in two months, while slow, is good if the weight gain is lean. 3000 is probably still not enough for your training and our metabolism hence the small amount of weight gain. Try upping it to 3500 calories. If you are gaining more lean weight, then you are good to go. If you find you are gaining weight and fat, then you need to cut it back a bit.

 

As for strength, it is not only your muscles that get bigger and stronger but also your central nervou system (CNS) gets more efficient at activating muscles fibers. If your strenght is increasing even if your weigh is not, that is still a good thing.

 

John

Thanks John, you always have good replies.

 

And you're right, I do have a fast metabolism, and sometimes I'm hesitant to up my calories because I have visible abdominals, even though I know that excess calories will add at least some body fat, but I will do it and see how it goes.

 

 

 

England11
England11 g Ben England
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I agree with John - Don't go by what you find on the internet or what other people say, go by what results you are seeing. Strength gains are just as good as weight gain, if not better - it means you are staying lean but able to lift heavier.

 

The lack of weight gain simply suggests you are not eating enough calories for the amount of training you are doing. How much cardio do you do? That could be an issue if you are doing it every day or every workout day.

 

Were you gaining weight more consistently before you switched to high volume training?

 

Taking whey protein after working out is great, the only reason you may want to have more is to increase your caloric intake, but having it just after training is fine and the optimal time to be having it.

Thanks for the reply!

 

I actually cut cardio out because I didn't know if it was hurting my muscle gain goals or not, but I do play soccer 1-2 days a week. I'm a former collegic player.

 

And when I started training high volume, I also started watching what I eat. I used to just eat anything I wanted to. But I was 120lbs when I first started about 18 months ago so maybe I hit a time when it's harder to gain weight since I've gained 24 lbs so far?

England11
England11 g Ben England
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You wrote: "I have had a lot of trouble gaining weight ever since I switced to high volume training at the beginning of the summer BUT I get a much larger pump."

 

The amount of pump you get doesn't tell anything about how good your training program is: the pump is just a matter of doing lots of reps, therefore convincing your body to send a lot of blood to the muscles involved.

 

If your goal is building muscle, and you gained muscles with low volume, but you don't make gains with high volume, than just go back to low volume, because that is what works best with your body.

I don't know if soreness defines gowth or not, but I never used to get sore but since training hivolume I feel as if my body is getting pushed to the limit and I actually am getting sore.

 

And my chest is finally improving since high volume. Do you think different muscles can require different training?

mcleslie
mcleslie g Leslie Lamberto Lazzarino
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Different muscles can require different training, because they have different compositions in terms of type I and type II A and B fibres. For example, Arnold used to train muscles with a lot of type I fibres, like calves, with really high reps.

 

The problem is, this doesn't hold for pecs, because they have a lot of type II fibres.

 

It could also be (but I'm speculating), that your pecs look bigger, because do to the hammering you give them they are more contracted when at rest. But I really cannot tell if this is the case.

 

Bottom line is: keep doing what gives the best results in terms of muscle gain. And if you think something gets the best results, but you are not sure, keep doing it longer, untill you have figured that out!

PhD student in laser & particle accelerator Physics. Ju Jitsu black belt. Back to training seriously since 1 year. Goal: become like Jean-Claude Van Damme in his prime.
Daniel_Meyer
Daniel_Meyer g Daniel Meyer
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Posted By: England11

Hey guys,

 

So at the beginning of July I weighed 143.5 lbs fasted and I was eating 2600 calories. In the past month, August, I raised my calories to 3000, which is well over the amount I need to gain weight (I only need 2550). So I weighed myself today and I weighed 144 lbs. I feel like since I've been eating so many excess calories, I should be gaining weight faster than .5 lbs in two months? I have maybe gained a pound all summer.

 

Also, I have made strength gains, so I figured I would be packing on more muscle. And I haven't had the fat on my body to burn which would stall weight gain.

 

I have had a lot of trouble gaining weight ever since I switced to high volume training at the beginning of the summer BUT I get a much larger pump.

 

The only supplement I take it post workout whey protein. I don't know if that's important.

 

Any advice is appreciate, thanks!

 

Ben

 

 

Whilst calories are important it is more to do with how you ratio each macronutrient. How many grams of protein, carb and fat do you consume? Also do you look after your digestive health? Are you balancing your fat ratios? Are you consuming enough fibre and vegetables? With your training how many sets do you do per exercise? I know you said you do high volume but I would like to know figures. What sort of routine do you do?

 

 

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jmboiardi
jmboiardi p John M Boiardi
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Posted By: England11

Thanks for the reply!

 

I actually cut cardio out because I didn't know if it was hurting my muscle gain goals or not, but I do play soccer 1-2 days a week. I'm a former collegic player.

 

And when I started training high volume, I also started watching what I eat. I used to just eat anything I wanted to. But I was 120lbs when I first started about 18 months ago so maybe I hit a time when it's harder to gain weight since I've gained 24 lbs so far?

Ben,

 

Naturally gaining 24 pounds in 18 months is quite fast. You put on the most size and weight in the first 2 years of lifting than any other time. The amount of size and weight is genetically determined but maximum potential will not be reached without proper nutrition and enough calories - regardless of genetics. You are doing great so far at a 24Lb gain :-)

 

John

34 years of lifting and nutritional experience and resident "old man" :-) MS Athlete and past Super Hermanite since 2013.
JoeHurricane
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Posted By: England11

Thanks for the reply!

 

I actually cut cardio out because I didn't know if it was hurting my muscle gain goals or not, but I do play soccer 1-2 days a week. I'm a former collegic player.

 

And when I started training high volume, I also started watching what I eat. I used to just eat anything I wanted to. But I was 120lbs when I first started about 18 months ago so maybe I hit a time when it's harder to gain weight since I've gained 24 lbs so far?

After training for 18 months you certainly won't be gaining as much muscle as when you started. 24 pounds in 18 months is pretty good. If you look at this video, it tells you the aprox. amount of lean muscle you can gain as a natural athlete:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LeeqhQoelM

 

So I would say your gains are going to start slowing down now that you have been working out and eating right, but if gains started slowing when you switched training methods, maybe it's a good idea to go back to what you were doing if that was increasing your weight and that is what you want.

 

Lots and lots of cardio would hurt your muscle gain, but soccer twice a week shouldn't be a problem so long as you are eating enough to replace whatever calories you are burning.

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England11
England11 g Ben England
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Posted By: jmboiardi

Ben,

 

Naturally gaining 24 pounds in 18 months is quite fast. You put on the most size and weight in the first 2 years of lifting than any other time. The amount of size and weight is genetically determined but maximum potential will not be reached without proper nutrition and enough calories - regardless of genetics. You are doing great so far at a 24Lb gain :-)

 

John

Not to take away from my progress, but the first 10lbs did go on pretty quickly. Haha That's probably common though.

 

But thanks for the help! I'll just keep eating more and more. My body seems to always be hungry for more than 3000 calories. I should probably listen to it!

JoeHurricane
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Posted By: England11

Not to take away from my progress, but the first 10lbs did go on pretty quickly. Haha That's probably common though.

 

But thanks for the help! I'll just keep eating more and more. My body seems to always be hungry for more than 3000 calories. I should probably listen to it!

That's it bro, just listen to your body, because everybody is different.

 

Anyone can tell you what you should or shouldn't be doing and eating, but if you aren't seeing results from what you are doing and eating, then make the necessary adjustments.

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