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Relative Strength Calculations

Malone - Meltzer Coefficient

jmboiardi
jmboiardi p John M Boiardi
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Nation,

 

Strength is relative, especially as we age.  Many may or may not know that "ideal" minimum strength poundage amounts for bench, squat, and deadlift are the following:  Bench press should be at least 1x body weight, squat should be 1.5x body weight, and deadlift should be 2x bodyweight.  These are universally agreed totals that "define" someone who is strong.  The higher the multiple of your body weight the stronger you are perceived.

 

However as we age, our absolute (versus relative) strength is not linear or consistent.  It decreases with age as your central nervous system is not as efficient and can't fire as many fibers as when you are younger and the amount and strength of muscle fibers are less than when you are younger.  After age 30, this decline begins.  Even if you have been training for many years like me, it is still an inevitable part of aging.  National powerlifting federations recognize this and there is a coefficient they use to compare relative strength of lifters of different ages.  It is called the Malone-Metzer coefficient:

 

http://www.mastersweightlifting.org/forms/malone.htm

 

This coefficient takes into consideration the variance in strength as we age.  You will see that at age 30 the coefficient is 1.  This means if you lift 300Lbs your relative weight total is 300Lbs x 1 = 300Lbs.  You will see that for a person aged 44, they have a coefficient of 1.183.  This means if they lifted 300Lbs, their relative weight lifted to a 30 year old would be 300Lbs x 1.183 = 355Lbs or for them to lift the same 300Lbs from a relative perspective they have to lift 300Lbs/1.183 = 254Lbs.  I post this as many older individuals think they are weaker if they can't lift the exact same weight(s) as they did when they were younger and/or they risk serious injury trying to lift absolute weight amounts to meet certain strength goals.

 

For instance, I weigh 162Lbs.  To meet the accepted minimum strength goals listed above, I should be benching 162Lbs (1 x body weight), squatting 324Lbs (2 x bodyweight) and deadlifting 405Lbs (2.5x bodyweight).   Now I can attempt to lift these absolute weights or, by applying the Malone-Metzler coefficient, I need only bench 127 Lbs, squat 255 Lbs, and deadlift 319Lbs.  This is because my coefficient is 1.271 (52 years old).  If I divide the absolute numbers (162, 324, and 405) by this coefficient, I get the relative weight in relation to someone 30 years old or younger.  I can lift a lot more than this relatively but it did put things in perspective for me and helped me reach more realistic strength goals without risking serious injury.  I realized that I am just as strong as I was when I was in my 20's even though the absolute weight I am lifting is less.

 

John

 

34 years of lifting and nutritional experience and resident "old man" :-) MS Athlete and past Super Hermanite since 2013.
ALS
ALS g Alfred Sichelstiel
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That's interesting,

 

I've been doing dead lifts of 185lbs and I'm 56 years old. I've just started these as of three weeks ago, and based on your supplied chart, I'm lifting relative to a 30 year old, 256 lbs. I've only been seriously lifting since Jan 2016 so I'm pretty happy with my progress based on that chart. My trainer started me out on mostly core work, balance and flexibility since August 2015. We've only started to transision to weight lifting / body building the middle of Jan.

 

Never really understood the need for the intense core work until the last month or so when we started adding on serious weight to the bars.

 

I was smart enough to understand last year at 55 I needed to get a trainer so I didn't get seriously hurt with improper form or doing more weight than I was physically capable of.

jmboiardi
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Posted By: ALS

That's interesting,

 

I've been doing dead lifts of 185lbs and I'm 56 years old. I've just started these as of three weeks ago, and based on your supplied chart, I'm lifting relative to a 30 year old, 256 lbs. I've only been seriously lifting since Jan 2016 so I'm pretty happy with my progress based on that chart. My trainer started me out on mostly core work, balance and flexibility since August 2015. We've only started to transision to weight lifting / body building the middle of Jan.

 

Never really understood the need for the intense core work until the last month or so when we started adding on serious weight to the bars.

 

I was smart enough to understand last year at 55 I needed to get a trainer so I didn't get seriously hurt with improper form or doing more weight than I was physically capable of.

Excellent. I thought those 40 and older like us would find this interesting and useful.

 

John

34 years of lifting and nutritional experience and resident "old man" :-) MS Athlete and past Super Hermanite since 2013.
crood
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Posted By: jmboiardi

Excellent. I thought those 40 and older like us would find this interesting and useful.

 

John

Does that one apply to male and female too?

I know our numbers (as females) might be at a bit different ratio, since we anyways have less testosterone.
Although i heard when we get older we actually produce more, due to the increase in estragen eand gestagene. Maybe we ladies get big and bulky in our late days ^^

 

Haha, but yeah question still stands do the numbers go for both genders?

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jmboiardi
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Posted By: crood

Does that one apply to male and female too?

I know our numbers (as females) might be at a bit different ratio, since we anyways have less testosterone.
Although i heard when we get older we actually produce more, due to the increase in estragen eand gestagene. Maybe we ladies get big and bulky in our late days ^^

 

Haha, but yeah question still stands do the numbers go for both genders?

Chris,

 

Unfortunately, these are calculations for men only. I have not seen/found anything for women.

 

John

34 years of lifting and nutritional experience and resident "old man" :-) MS Athlete and past Super Hermanite since 2013.
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