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kroty3003
kroty3003 g Anthony Aukett
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95 Post(s) Gender: Male Goal: Bodybuilding Date Joined: October 10, 2013
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Ok . so i see alot of guys that claim they are natural body builders , but from what ive seen in rl and from folks on the intermaweb, i dont know whats natural anymore , wheres the line , i mean i see they're bodies and i think to myself , ive been at it for 4 months now , and ive hardly grown , i can hardly see any differences from when i started , then i look at these guys and think is it even possible . 

 

for instant , time under tention - good form  - non momentem - tention cheating, things ive learnt along the way, 

 

and these guys are litterally just swing these big massive wheights around with what seems like no controll.

Is it my imagination?

 

so the question is , is it possible to look like that 

and jUst for interest sake, this is my motivation, this is my endgame, this is where whant to get someday !!!!

This one picture is what got me in the gym and it is my altumate motivation , 

but my question remains . (not talkning about the picture) 

are these guys really natural , i mean seriously , no controll.  no form. no finesse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxAgf7yz5xk

 

 

and of coarse my motivation

 

Anthony thanx for the great site Scott.
kroty3003
kroty3003 g Anthony Aukett
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95 Post(s) Gender: Male Goal: Bodybuilding Date Joined: October 10, 2013
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I night want to add that i only whatched the first 1 min 30 secs of the video before postig this

Anthony thanx for the great site Scott.
kevinkoprol
kevinkoprol g Kevin Boon
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93 Post(s) Gender: Male Goal: Gain Muscle Date Joined: October 10, 2013
Posted

Sometimes it can be very confusing! I think you cannot see a clear line between natural or non-natural. Especially on the internet,pictures or videos can be very deceiving, pictures/videos can be taken with special lighting or can be altered with filters. I don't know an example of someone who has a physique which is the maximum you can obtain naturally. But I do know it differs for every person. I think you shouldn't look for someone as an example of what you want to achieve. Try to achieve the best you can be yourself (sounds cliche). All I know is that naturally you can gain an awesome physique.

Question everything. MS Athlete
kevinkoprol
kevinkoprol g Kevin Boon
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After seeing the video, I don't think these physiques are attainable without juice or without some very very good genetics. But I never seen them in real life, so I don't really know.

Question everything. MS Athlete
jmboiardi
jmboiardi p John M Boiardi
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Posted

Nation,

 

This has been a topic of discussion that has heated up in the last few months especially after the Rob Riches scandal where an
amphetamine-like compound was found in his system after winning a UK BB show and he blamed it on a pre-workout supplement called "Craze". I will share my opinion on this based on personal experience and numerous observations. I used anabolics for 3 years when I was in my mid-20s. I know and see what they can do. I also know that there is only so low in bodyfat and so high in muscle size the
human body will go naturally - regardless of genetics.

 

A perfect example is look at Scott. He is at 7% bodyfat now and could probably hit 5-6% max naturally as he is already lean by nature.
I have observed that extreme vascularity and paper thin skin is a good indication of Human Growth Hormone or some combination of
exogenous substances - steroids, insulin, diuretics, etc. Amount of vascularity is genetic but extreme vascularity is not. Scott is vascular but not  to the extreme. His skin is thin but no like rice paper. The human body will NOT go below 5% body fat naturally as this is

dangerous and life threatening. As a matter of fact, may pro bodybuilders will tell you the time they are the weakest and most unhealthy is when they are on stage - they have drastically manipulated their diet, salt, water, and drugs to extract every last ounce of fat and

water to make them shredded.

 

Another indicator of chemical assistance is the amount of calories consumed, how many times they train at high intensity, and growth
rate. If you read about someone eating 6,000 calories a day while staying in single digit body fat and training like an animal 6 days a
week and adding 20+ Lbs of lean muscle in a month or so, something is suspect. When I was on anabolics, I could train 6 days a week
with no problem. My recovery ability was incredible. I was eating 7-8 times a day and staying relatively lean (about 14% BF). I put on 25 Lbs of muscle in 1 month and this was after having lifted for 4 years naturally before taking anabolics. You gain your most size and weight naturally in your first TWO years of lifting. I was doing it in years 5 thru 7. Had I been training to cut and not bulk I am sure I
could have got downto single digit body fat while keeping most of the size I gained.

 

There are very few true natural bodybuilders out there. People like Scott Herman, Nick Wright, OlympusIron, Eric Hulse are people that
immediately come to mind. One must remember that Human Growth Hormone is NOT a steroid. Neither is insulin or diuretics. An
athlete can accurately claim to be "steroid free" if they use these chemicals. Some "natural" bodybuilders use very low dose cycles and
only at certain times (photo shoots, competitions, etc) so they "feel" they are natural as they don't do the amounts and numerous cyclesof an IFBB pro. They also feel since they are not massively huge that people will believe them. Drug test are not fool-proof and
anyone can beat a test - just look at MLB or the NFL. The bottom line is we humans have an innate ability to sense when things don't
look "right". Call it a "gut" or "instinct".  As Judge Judy says, "If it doesn't sound right, it's not true."

 

John

34 years of lifting and nutritional experience and resident "old man" :-) MS Athlete and past Super Hermanite since 2013.
kroty3003
kroty3003 g Anthony Aukett
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95 Post(s) Gender: Male Goal: Bodybuilding Date Joined: October 10, 2013
Posted

Thanx for the input guys , yeash what you say makes quite good sense , if it doesnt look right , it probably isnt.

 

 

Anthony thanx for the great site Scott.
Scott_Herman
Scott_Herman a Scott Herman
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Posted
Posted By: jmboiardi

Nation,

 

This has been a topic of discussion that has heated up in the last few months especially after the Rob Riches scandal where an
amphetamine-like compound was found in his system after winning a UK BB show and he blamed it on a pre-workout supplement called "Craze". I will share my opinion on this based on personal experience and numerous observations. I used anabolics for 3 years when I was in my mid-20s. I know and see what they can do. I also know that there is only so low in bodyfat and so high in muscle size the
human body will go naturally - regardless of genetics.

 

A perfect example is look at Scott. He is at 7% bodyfat now and could probably hit 5-6% max naturally as he is already lean by nature.
I have observed that extreme vascularity and paper thin skin is a good indication of Human Growth Hormone or some combination of
exogenous substances - steroids, insulin, diuretics, etc. Amount of vascularity is genetic but extreme vascularity is not. Scott is vascular but not  to the extreme. His skin is thin but no like rice paper. The human body will NOT go below 5% body fat naturally as this is

dangerous and life threatening. As a matter of fact, may pro bodybuilders will tell you the time they are the weakest and most unhealthy is when they are on stage - they have drastically manipulated their diet, salt, water, and drugs to extract every last ounce of fat and

water to make them shredded.

 

Another indicator of chemical assistance is the amount of calories consumed, how many times they train at high intensity, and growth
rate. If you read about someone eating 6,000 calories a day while staying in single digit body fat and training like an animal 6 days a
week and adding 20+ Lbs of lean muscle in a month or so, something is suspect. When I was on anabolics, I could train 6 days a week
with no problem. My recovery ability was incredible. I was eating 7-8 times a day and staying relatively lean (about 14% BF). I put on 25 Lbs of muscle in 1 month and this was after having lifted for 4 years naturally before taking anabolics. You gain your most size and weight naturally in your first TWO years of lifting. I was doing it in years 5 thru 7. Had I been training to cut and not bulk I am sure I
could have got downto single digit body fat while keeping most of the size I gained.

 

There are very few true natural bodybuilders out there. People like Scott Herman, Nick Wright, OlympusIron, Eric Hulse are people that
immediately come to mind. One must remember that Human Growth Hormone is NOT a steroid. Neither is insulin or diuretics. An
athlete can accurately claim to be "steroid free" if they use these chemicals. Some "natural" bodybuilders use very low dose cycles and
only at certain times (photo shoots, competitions, etc) so they "feel" they are natural as they don't do the amounts and numerous cyclesof an IFBB pro. They also feel since they are not massively huge that people will believe them. Drug test are not fool-proof and
anyone can beat a test - just look at MLB or the NFL. The bottom line is we humans have an innate ability to sense when things don't
look "right". Call it a "gut" or "instinct".  As Judge Judy says, "If it doesn't sound right, it's not true."

 

John

Spot on John. I really don't have much to add other then I could tell they were juicing withing 5 seconds of watching the video. The shoulders are always the giveaay for me.

 

Don't get me wrong, these guys looks amazing, but if claiming to be natural... they are douchebags and are setting a bar that their veiwers will not be able to obtain and that can be demotivating to them. Not cool.

 

In my opinion the video should have not said "aesthetic motivation" as there is nothing aesthetic about a juicing body because awesthetic would refer to a natural physique.

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kroty3003
kroty3003 g Anthony Aukett
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95 Post(s) Gender: Male Goal: Bodybuilding Date Joined: October 10, 2013
Posted

those were my thaughts exactly Scott. just needed to get some input on ths , cause i c more and more juice heads claiming natural and its annoying!!

Anthony thanx for the great site Scott.
Rishi_Ramsamooj
Rishi_Ramsamooj g Rishi Ramsamooj
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140 Post(s) Gender: Male Goal: Gain Muscle Date Joined: October 10, 2013
Posted

Personally, I have nothing against anyone that uses roids cause at the end of the day...its their hardwork, and consistensy that lead to results. but it PISSES ME OFF when I hear of fake naturals. Anyone ever heard of Jeff seid. Biggest doche in all of fitness and bodybudiling right now.

18 years old Training for aesthetic athletics No roids just rage Majoring in business management Changing people's lives
muscular strength
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