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Robf76
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As a newbie to actually wanting to put on muscle (against years of being lean and'skinny' from running)...local PT in gym said 'eat more and NO cardio'...yet all the plans/routines here add the cardio - in the push/pull for example is the circuit stuff..

Was told 'build muscle first and THEN shred fat'...yes or no???

Adawg38
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Posted By: Robf76

As a newbie to actually wanting to put on muscle (against years of being lean and'skinny' from running)...local PT in gym said 'eat more and NO cardio'...yet all the plans/routines here add the cardio - in the push/pull for example is the circuit stuff..

Was told 'build muscle first and THEN shred fat'...yes or no???

If your goal is to gain muscle cardio is not need although it has its benifits and if not done excessivley then it will not hinder muscle gain. Supersets or Tri sets associated in Circuits are a great form of cardio but if you are eating properly don't worry about not building muscle. Plus the workout is great for helping fatigue your muscles faster. Just remember you heart will be working harder pumping more blood throughout the body. I would say don't stress about the cardio, if you are eating in a surplus and lifting at least 65%-85% of your 1RM you will build muscle.

 

 

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Robf76
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If your goal is to gain muscle cardio is not need although it has its benifits and if not done excessivley then it will not hinder muscle gain. Supersets or Tri sets associated in Circuits are a great form of cardio but if you are eating properly don't worry about not building muscle. Plus the workout is great for helping fatigue your muscles faster. Just remember you heart will be working harder pumping more blood throughout the body. I would say don't stress about the cardio, if you are eating in a surplus and lifting at least 65%-85% of your 1RM you will build muscle.

 

 

Thanks for the reply - This is all new ground to me...am 6ft and now 83kg, but for years sat at 70kg as did long distance running so ALL cardio and no weights (maybe light to tick over)...so now want to flip things to how was in late teens (90kg and alot more defined).  Still struggling to eat nearly enough food though so am in huge deficits

Scott_Herman
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Posted By: Robf76

As a newbie to actually wanting to put on muscle (against years of being lean and'skinny' from running)...local PT in gym said 'eat more and NO cardio'...yet all the plans/routines here add the cardio - in the push/pull for example is the circuit stuff..

Was told 'build muscle first and THEN shred fat'...yes or no???

I agree with Aaron. It's not needed, but it is good to have, especially when you're looking to keep your muscle gains lean. I suggest doing it 2 times a week if you can, but focus more on HIIT rather than LISS. You only need 15-20 minute HIIT sessions and doing that twice a week is more than enough along with your training (and if you are doing the PPL, the circuits are classed as HIIT so you wouldn't need to do extra cardio on top of those circuits).

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Robf76
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I agree with Aaron. It's not needed, but it is good to have, especially when you're looking to keep your muscle gains lean. I suggest doing it 2 times a week if you can, but focus more on HIIT rather than LISS. You only need 15-20 minute HIIT sessions and doing that twice a week is more than enough along with your training (and if you are doing the PPL, the circuits are classed as HIIT so you wouldn't need to do extra cardio on top of those circuits).

Thanks Scott, I've just started the Pull/Push program so o0nwards and upwards

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Thanks Scott, I've just started the Pull/Push program so o0nwards and upwards

Awwww yeah!! Hope you are enjoying it Rob! 🙌 ðŸ‹ ðŸ’ª 

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Yeah it’s great - though embarrassingly lightbwieghts :-/

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Yeah it’s great - though embarrassingly lightbwieghts :-/

Don't worry about that too much. You build muscle by breaking it down and with volume, not just heavy weights. As long as you are pushing yourself, then you are doing things right!

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Don't worry about that too much. You build muscle by breaking it down and with volume, not just heavy weights. As long as you are pushing yourself, then you are doing things right!

Thanks Scott - good to know!! 💪🏻

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Thanks Scott - good to know!! 💪🏻

Happy to help @Robf76!! Train hard brotha! 🏋 

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Happy to help @Robf76!! Train hard brotha! 🏋 

Thanks - never done ‘weights’ before so when I’m struggling with a 20kg/44lbs bench press and everyone looking...to think ‘hmmm what will it be like in 4months, 1 year etc’ is hard when everyone is p***ed you’re taking up ‘their’ space!!

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Thanks - never done ‘weights’ before so when I’m struggling with a 20kg/44lbs bench press and everyone looking...to think ‘hmmm what will it be like in 4months, 1 year etc’ is hard when everyone is p***ed you’re taking up ‘their’ space!!

Well all start somewhere man. You can't expect to go straight to 225lbs your first time trying weights 😊 I have no doubt that with the program you're following here on the site you will make amazing strength gains over time. Just keep consistent and work hard. The results will come!

 

To anyone that doesn't like you using 'their' space.. they shouldn't even be in the gym if they can't leave their ego at the door. If they were real lifters they would be helping and encouraging you.

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Well all start somewhere man. You can't expect to go straight to 225lbs your first time trying weights 😊 I have no doubt that with the program you're following here on the site you will make amazing strength gains over time. Just keep consistent and work hard. The results will come!

 

To anyone that doesn't like you using 'their' space.. they shouldn't even be in the gym if they can't leave their ego at the door. If they were real lifters they would be helping and encouraging you.

Thanks Scott - as a newbie you think maybe I’m breaking some etiquette...but went in today, ‘Leg Day’ today...takes me 2 hours to get through - but watched one of your videos ages ago - put earphones on, block everything out and get on with !!! Feels great 💪🏻👍🏻

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Thanks Scott - as a newbie you think maybe I’m breaking some etiquette...but went in today, ‘Leg Day’ today...takes me 2 hours to get through - but watched one of your videos ages ago - put earphones on, block everything out and get on with !!! Feels great 💪🏻👍🏻

That's it Rob! Music on, world off, and you're just focused on being in the gym and getting your workout in 💪 I don't think you're breaking any etiquette if you are training hard!

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That's it Rob! Music on, world off, and you're just focused on being in the gym and getting your workout in 💪 I don't think you're breaking any etiquette if you are training hard!

Thanks Scott - even getting my wife to sign up for workouts too ...better than any advice local PTs are giving!!! Ps we also follow on Instagram too 💪🏻

With the 7,7,6,4,3...it takes time and strict with rest times etc...still taking about 2hr...that usual?? PT at gym had been watching and couldn’t believe the amount I was doing!!!! Hahaha

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Thanks Scott - even getting my wife to sign up for workouts too ...better than any advice local PTs are giving!!! Ps we also follow on Instagram too 💪🏻

With the 7,7,6,4,3...it takes time and strict with rest times etc...still taking about 2hr...that usual?? PT at gym had been watching and couldn’t believe the amount I was doing!!!! Hahaha

Oh that is awesome Rob! Thanks so much for the support man it really means a lot, I hope you both enjoy all of the content 😊 Yeah that first set with the reverse pyramid will take the longest, but with all of the other rest periods being super short, it should only take you around 90 minutes to do the entire workouts.

 

If it is taking you longer, make sure number one that you're sticking to the rest periods, and then if you need to, superset some exercises to save time. But 2 hours isn't bad when you hit so many muscle groups, and keep in mind at least 15 minutes of that is spent resting between those first reverse pyramid sets.

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