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  • 11-20-17, 10:31 pm (EST)

    Another shoulder pain thread

    November 20, 2017, 10:31 pm

    Any exercises for shoulders that I do with my palms facing forward is very painfull. Dumbell presses with 20lb dumbells palms facing forward is brutall. It literally feels like someone is sticking a knife in my shoulders. It's not muscle. Definitely joint. If I grab a 30lb set of dumbells and do Arnold presses palms facing me and end with them facing forward at the top, it is like a different set of shoulders. I can do 3 sets of 10 with no pain. Front raises no problem with 10lb dumbell set. Side raises I get the clicking sound for the first few reps from the left shoulder. It is very slowly getting better but the pain from front facing palms is pretty intense. Dumbell bench press there is minor pain but not anywhere near what palms forward shoulder exercises produces. Every other exercise pretty much no pain to minor pain. Beginning to get very worried about needing some kind of surgury to fix it. Making excellent progress and would totally be bummed out to the max if I had to stop cold turkey to recover.

     

    Vinny in little Rhode Island

  • 11-20-17, 11:12 pm (EST)

    Another shoulder pain thread

    November 20, 2017, 11:12 pm
    Posted by: vinnyfindley

    Any exercises for shoulders that I do with my palms facing forward is very painfull. Dumbell presses with 20lb dumbells palms facing forward is brutall. It literally feels like someone is sticking a knife in my shoulders. It's not muscle. Definitely joint. If I grab a 30lb set of dumbells and do Arnold presses palms facing me and end with them facing forward at the top, it is like a different set of shoulders. I can do 3 sets of 10 with no pain. Front raises no problem with 10lb dumbell set. Side raises I get the clicking sound for the first few reps from the left shoulder. It is very slowly getting better but the pain from front facing palms is pretty intense. Dumbell bench press there is minor pain but not anywhere near what palms forward shoulder exercises produces. Every other exercise pretty much no pain to minor pain. Beginning to get very worried about needing some kind of surgury to fix it. Making excellent progress and would totally be bummed out to the max if I had to stop cold turkey to recover.

     

    Vinny in little Rhode Island

    It might be worth seeing someone about it, but because you have dodgy shoulders, it's OK to do shoulder pressing where your palms don't face forward. Obviously you have the Arnold Press you can do, but you can even do regular dumbbell shoulder pressing with your palms supinated the entire way (neutral grip press).

     

    You can actually even get a little more range of motion this way (because the dumbbell head won't hit your shoulder first). Just keep in mind you'll probably have to go lighter than what you would use for a regular press.

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  • 11-21-17, 3:31 am (EST)

    Another shoulder pain thread

    November 21, 2017, 3:31 am
    Posted by: vinnyfindley

    Any exercises for shoulders that I do with my palms facing forward is very painfull. Dumbell presses with 20lb dumbells palms facing forward is brutall. It literally feels like someone is sticking a knife in my shoulders. It's not muscle. Definitely joint. If I grab a 30lb set of dumbells and do Arnold presses palms facing me and end with them facing forward at the top, it is like a different set of shoulders. I can do 3 sets of 10 with no pain. Front raises no problem with 10lb dumbell set. Side raises I get the clicking sound for the first few reps from the left shoulder. It is very slowly getting better but the pain from front facing palms is pretty intense. Dumbell bench press there is minor pain but not anywhere near what palms forward shoulder exercises produces. Every other exercise pretty much no pain to minor pain. Beginning to get very worried about needing some kind of surgury to fix it. Making excellent progress and would totally be bummed out to the max if I had to stop cold turkey to recover.

     

    Vinny in little Rhode Island

    I agree with Scott. You need to see a sports doctor because there is something off happening here. The good news is you can still train chest if you use a Smith Machine, free bar, or dumbells and grip the bar/dumbells with palms facing you instead of away from you. This puts 95% of the focus on your upper pecs and practically removes any anterior shoulder involvement (unlike with your palms facing out). You won't be able to do as much weight and it will feel odd at first but it should allow you to train chest with little pain as the grip is similar to the Arnold Press. The Arnold Press has your direct shoulder training covered. If you can do cable flyes or dumbell flyes without pain, you can still build a decent chest.

     

    If doing chest with supinated grip (palms facing) still causes sharp shoulder pain, then that is more than likely indicative of cartilage tears/damage in the shoulder joint, possible shoulder impingement, or acute tears in the ligaments forming the shoulder capsule. These issues require a medical diagnosis and worst case may require surgery to rectify.

     

    Too many people overuse the flat chest press (BB or DB), in my view, and as a result have shoulder problems due to the uneven over-development of the anterior deltoid and due to the urge to lift too heavy create "bottom-heavy" pecs.

     

     

    John

    34 years of lifting and nutritional experience and resident "old man" :-)
    MS Athlete and past Super Hermanite since 2013.

  • 11-21-17, 5:49 am (EST)

    Another shoulder pain thread

    November 21, 2017, 5:49 am
    Posted by: Scott_Herman

    It might be worth seeing someone about it, but because you have dodgy shoulders, it's OK to do shoulder pressing where your palms don't face forward. Obviously you have the Arnold Press you can do, but you can even do regular dumbbell shoulder pressing with your palms supinated the entire way (neutral grip press).

     

    You can actually even get a little more range of motion this way (because the dumbbell head won't hit your shoulder first). Just keep in mind you'll probably have to go lighter than what you would use for a regular press.

    I will continue with the Arnold presses as they cause no pain and also try supinated the entire way. I don't hate doctors per se but hate going unless it's absolutely neccessary. Most times my wife has to drag me there. I'll give it till the end of the year if there is no improvement will have to break down and see a specialist.

     

    Vinny in little Rhode Island

  • 11-21-17, 5:56 am (EST)

    Another shoulder pain thread

    November 21, 2017, 5:56 am
    Posted by: jmboiardi

    I agree with Scott. You need to see a sports doctor because there is something off happening here. The good news is you can still train chest if you use a Smith Machine, free bar, or dumbells and grip the bar/dumbells with palms facing you instead of away from you. This puts 95% of the focus on your upper pecs and practically removes any anterior shoulder involvement (unlike with your palms facing out). You won't be able to do as much weight and it will feel odd at first but it should allow you to train chest with little pain as the grip is similar to the Arnold Press. The Arnold Press has your direct shoulder training covered. If you can do cable flyes or dumbell flyes without pain, you can still build a decent chest.

     

    If doing chest with supinated grip (palms facing) still causes sharp shoulder pain, then that is more than likely indicative of cartilage tears/damage in the shoulder joint, possible shoulder impingement, or acute tears in the ligaments forming the shoulder capsule. These issues require a medical diagnosis and worst case may require surgery to rectify.

     

    Too many people overuse the flat chest press (BB or DB), in my view, and as a result have shoulder problems due to the uneven over-development of the anterior deltoid and due to the urge to lift too heavy create "bottom-heavy" pecs.

     

     

    John

    The smith machine or any barbell press is the same with pain. Close but not quite as bad as palms facing forward shoulder presses. Was never big on flat bench barbell bench pressing. Watched a vid of a guy whould did 100% incline and nothing else. Huge thick chest. Thinking maybe I can do palms facing me on the smith machine. No barbell benchess at Planet Fitness. Next weight day is Wednesday.

     

    Vinny in little Rhode Island

  • 11-21-17, 10:35 pm (EST)

    Another shoulder pain thread

    November 21, 2017, 10:35 pm
    Posted by: vinnyfindley

    I will continue with the Arnold presses as they cause no pain and also try supinated the entire way. I don't hate doctors per se but hate going unless it's absolutely neccessary. Most times my wife has to drag me there. I'll give it till the end of the year if there is no improvement will have to break down and see a specialist.

     

    Vinny in little Rhode Island

    Well I wouldn't just go to see any doctor. I would suggest seeing a sports therapist. They'd be the best ones to take a look at what's going on in your shoulder. If you continue without pain, great.. just don't do anything to make it worse! haha.

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  • 11-22-17, 9:24 pm (EST)

    Another shoulder pain thread

    November 22, 2017, 9:24 pm

    Definitely would be a sports therapist. I tried the smith machine bench press supinated. Stopped immediately. Shoulders were feeling fine but as soon as I started with just a 10lb plate on each side stabbing pain. I'm going to stick with what is working without the pain. Dumbell chest presses using different variations flollowed with cable flies squeezing like a mofo and holding a few seconds before the negative. Like you said not going to do anything to make it worse. No pain the morning after or the day after weight training. Concentrate on TUT. Getting funny looks because I'm not doing the 100 mph inertia lifting techic. Doesn't bother me one bit. Actually get a chuckle out of it. I watch the same people since I have been going there 2nd week of September doing the same wrong things and getting nowhere. Even more of a chuckle when they stand in front of or walk by the mirrors. Walk the walk with nothing to show. Only in their head. I can honestly say that the muscle gains are noticable. This is all parts of my body. A guy I work with commented and said dude you got some cannons going on there. Arms always responded well compared to other parts of my body. Wanted to leave and go to the gym haha. Legs never saw much improvement but now ( maybe because I'm older and wiser 56 ) Quads are even showing noticable changes. No doubt the quick gains will slow in the not to distant future but I'm prepared mentally for it. I have a realistic vision of what I will look like this time next year. I just watched your Responding To Ignorant Comments | HATERS GONNA HATE! video ( happy belated birthday ). I'm in the same boat. I do this for me and not interested in competition. Building muscle more than strength is what I'm concentrating on. I make more progress using moderate weight and proper form with TUT than these ass bags who wrecklessly pound the heavy weights with bad form. Have a Happy Thanksgiving Scott.

     

    Vinny in little Rhode Island

  • 11-22-17, 11:28 pm (EST)

    Another shoulder pain thread

    November 22, 2017, 11:28 pm
    Posted by: vinnyfindley

    Definitely would be a sports therapist. I tried the smith machine bench press supinated. Stopped immediately. Shoulders were feeling fine but as soon as I started with just a 10lb plate on each side stabbing pain. I'm going to stick with what is working without the pain. Dumbell chest presses using different variations flollowed with cable flies squeezing like a mofo and holding a few seconds before the negative. Like you said not going to do anything to make it worse. No pain the morning after or the day after weight training. Concentrate on TUT. Getting funny looks because I'm not doing the 100 mph inertia lifting techic. Doesn't bother me one bit. Actually get a chuckle out of it. I watch the same people since I have been going there 2nd week of September doing the same wrong things and getting nowhere. Even more of a chuckle when they stand in front of or walk by the mirrors. Walk the walk with nothing to show. Only in their head. I can honestly say that the muscle gains are noticable. This is all parts of my body. A guy I work with commented and said dude you got some cannons going on there. Arms always responded well compared to other parts of my body. Wanted to leave and go to the gym haha. Legs never saw much improvement but now ( maybe because I'm older and wiser 56 ) Quads are even showing noticable changes. No doubt the quick gains will slow in the not to distant future but I'm prepared mentally for it. I have a realistic vision of what I will look like this time next year. I just watched your Responding To Ignorant Comments | HATERS GONNA HATE! video ( happy belated birthday ). I'm in the same boat. I do this for me and not interested in competition. Building muscle more than strength is what I'm concentrating on. I make more progress using moderate weight and proper form with TUT than these ass bags who wrecklessly pound the heavy weights with bad form. Have a Happy Thanksgiving Scott.

     

    Vinny in little Rhode Island

    You could always try to offer those people who are doing things wrong help ๐Ÿ˜Š They might not listen, but they also might apprecaite it. Up to you.

     

    Great to hear about your progress though - just goes to show that the amount of weight isn't as important as the actualy stress you are putting the muscles under!

     

    Thanks for the belated Birthday wishes and Happy Thanksgiving to you too! Have a great day!

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  • 11-25-17, 6:05 pm (EST)

    Another shoulder pain thread

    November 25, 2017, 6:05 pm
    Posted by: Scott_Herman

    You could always try to offer those people who are doing things wrong help ๐Ÿ˜Š They might not listen, but they also might apprecaite it. Up to you.

     

    Great to hear about your progress though - just goes to show that the amount of weight isn't as important as the actualy stress you are putting the muscles under!

     

    Thanks for the belated Birthday wishes and Happy Thanksgiving to you too! Have a great day!

    I gave up trying to help a while ago. Most just completely ignore and continue on the same path. If someone were to aske for my opinion I would help. Had my first drag my ass to the gym day since I started back in September. Out in yard all day fall clean up. Haven't missed a day yet though!

  • 11-26-17, 4:38 pm (EST)

    Another shoulder pain thread

    November 26, 2017, 4:38 pm
    Posted by: vinnyfindley

    I gave up trying to help a while ago. Most just completely ignore and continue on the same path. If someone were to aske for my opinion I would help. Had my first drag my ass to the gym day since I started back in September. Out in yard all day fall clean up. Haven't missed a day yet though!

    We all have days like that.. you feel better once you get your workout done though right?! haha. Consistency is key! Keep it up Vinny!

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  • 12-07-17, 5:33 am (EST)

    Another shoulder pain thread

    December 7, 2017, 5:33 am

    Shoulders are coming along fine. Pain is slowly fading away as I progress with the training. I was able to do standing smith machine military presses without much discomfort. Still mostly using dumbells for shoulders. Been sticking with incline dumbell presses followed by cable crossovers for chest.

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